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sharky
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Posted Sun Oct 6, 2013, 9:13am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

DeanOK Said:

I bought a bell shaped pitcher.. while it did seem to increase the amount of foam I could make, it didn't do much for the quality of my foam.

This morning, I put the 2 hole tip back on and used the bell shaped pitcher and got as good micro foam as I have ever made... hopefully I can be consistent now.

Posted October 5, 2013 link



DeanOK, I wonder how the other 60+ owners of the Vetrano 2B are making out with their 4 hole tip?  I'm surprised there has been limited posts about it?
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germantownrob
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Posted Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:13am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

My Duetto 3 only arrived with the two hole tip, when the 4 hole tip showed up I was so happy. I never got the hang of the two hole, with 4oz of milk in a 10 oz pitcher the two hole could shoot the milk over the edge of the pitcher, with 8oz of milk in a 16oz bell pitcher it took over 25sec. The four hole is my favorite even though the pressure drops a lot using it for 8oz of milk.

The difference in th Duetto with a four hole tip and my Oscar with a four hole tip was night and day, but my technique needed adjustment to harness the power. I found I did not need to concentrait so hard on getting the position right for stretching the milk like I did on the Oscar. The Duetto, especially with 4-5oz of milk can have the tip pretty deep and still get plenty of air to stretch, once the pitcher is at body temp which is less then 10sec I get the milk rolling which I find easy with the four hole in any shaped pitcher once I find the spot. I find the 4 hole to be very easy with little to no attention to it so pulling shots at the same time as steaming is easy to have great micro foam to stiff long lasting foam.

I do find that using the 4 hole tip and the pressure drop it is much nicer to run the Duetto in 20amp when doing many milk drink in a row. In 15 amp mode and the 4 hole tip making some big Lattes I found myself waiting on the machine but in 20 amp and good PID settings the machine is rock stable no matter how fast I am moving.

Edit: I found the angle of the wand and the angle of the pitcher needed adjustment going from the Oscar to the Duetto. Now my pitcher is almost vertical and the wand is only at a slight angle.

I am going to give the two hole another go since you all are liking it so much, I was very good at making big bubbles with it, lol.

Edit2: I love the non burn arm both for the easy clean up and the no burn part. Many with the Duetto expressed much better performance with dryer steam without the silicon tube but I pulled mine and with the four hole tip I noticed very little difference so I reinstalled the silicon tubing. This is something I will try again now that I have had some time to get to know my Duetto.
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DeanOK
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Posted Sun Oct 6, 2013, 6:14pm
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

sharky Said:

DeanOK, I wonder how the other 60+ owners of the Vetrano 2B are making out with their 4 hole tip?  I'm surprised there has been limited posts about it?

Posted October 6, 2013 link

I made excellent microfoam this morning with the 2 hole tip and the bell shaped pitcher. I know the 4 hole is faster, but I would rather spend 10 seconds more and have better microfoam.
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Posted Mon Oct 7, 2013, 6:31pm
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

I pride myself at being a man who can admit when he's made a mistake...and I'm here to do just that.

Based on what people have been writing, I decided to go back and try my hand at the 2-hole tip again. To recap: I had been getting decent results with the 2-hole but not the perfect microfoam I was seeking. I got the 4-hole CCS tip for free, and while it was more powerful, and improved after cutting 1/4" off of the teflon tube, I was still not able to easily get the swirl and the milk was getting too hot. I bought the 4-hole QM tip from SCG along with the Motta/Rocket pitcher. Improvement over the 4-hole CCS tip but getting the swirl was proving difficult and incorporating air was also difficult (I found it hard to get just the right amount of air, either too much or too little).

So tonight I reattached the original 2-hole tip, yep the one that came with it. And guess what? Because I've been fine tuning my craft on the two different 4-hole tips, I was able to get the swirl way more easily with the 2-hole tip than when I was using it for the first 2-3 weeks I had the V2B. Oh, I also used the Motta pitcher, so that definitely could have helped me get the swirl more easily. I've learned that incorporating the right amount of air early, then getting the swirl going, is the most important part of getting the latte art foam. Here's my effort tonight, messed up only because I had a loaf of bread that was in the way and made me stop mid-art because it was in the way.

I'm now in the same camp with Dean and I now favor the 2-hole tip and a wider bottomed pitcher. Mine's not bell-shaped but it's definitely wider (and stays the same width) at the bottom half of the pitcher than a standard, steadily-narrowing pitcher.

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sharky
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Posted Mon Oct 7, 2013, 7:21pm
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

Congrats, CarloM, that is looking good!  As you've read, I also switched back to the 2 hole tip with improved success!  Now I need to post one of my latte art drinks as well!  LOL!
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DeanOK
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Posted Tue Oct 8, 2013, 7:35am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

sharky Said:

Congrats, CarloM, that is looking good!  As you've read, I also switched back to the 2 hole tip with improved success!  Now I need to post one of my latte art drinks as well!  LOL!

Posted October 7, 2013 link

I have made great microfoam every time since I started using the two hole tip and the Espro Toroid 20 Oz Stainless Steel Milk Frothing Pitcher. In fact, you can get too much microfoam real easy. If you like cappuccinos, it can make the extra foam you will need with no problem.
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DeanOK
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Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 8:36am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

This morning I made microfoam so thick that it would hold a peak when I poured it out... not what I wanted, but didn't even know I could do that. It was very fine and delicate. It was kind of like beaten egg whites. I only held the steam tip near the surface until the milk was about 85F and then I lowered the tip down a bit. Not too much different that I usually do it but I usually hold the tip near the surface until the milk I close to 100F.  I am still using the 2 hole tip and the bell shaped pitcher.
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Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 10:46am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

DeanOK, I am also using the 20oz Toroid pitcher & getting great results!  I have been keeping it in the fridge till needed.  I will have to try using it at room temp. to see if it makes any difference.
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DeanOK
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Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 10:51am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

sharky Said:

I have been keeping it in the fridge till needed..

Posted October 9, 2013 link

I will try that. I don't have any art skills at all. I am usually making my coffee in a foam cup to take with me in the car, so I don't worry about the art side of espresso. I do like the nice microfoam on top though.
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Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 11:44am
Subject: Re: 4 hole tip on V2B... easy resolve issue
 

Dean - we may have different definitions of microfoam. My ideal microfoam is:
  • super tiny bubbles distributed evenly throughout all of the milk, not sitting on top
  • shouldn't form stiff peaks, it should look like wet paint and spread kind of like wet paint in that the way you pour will create art of some kind, like white liquid shapes being poured into the darker base of the milk which has integrated with the coffee in the early part of the pour

If you have foam sitting on top, that to me is just regular foam, in that it's airier than the steamed milk portion which has settled to the bottom along with the coffee. Some like that type of drink, but I prefer my microfoam integrated fully with the entire pitcher of milk.

FYI I keep my pitcher in the freezer while the machine is heating up (along with the portafilter locked into the machine) and when it's ready to go after about half an hour I take out the pitcher, pour the milk in (which has remained in the refrigerator) and am steaming within a minute (basically after I've ground, tamped and drawn the shot).

Check out this Home Barista link for the differences in foam vs. microfoam. I'm trying to achieve the picture on the left.
Home Barista Frothing Technique
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