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martybis
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:24pm
Subject: Stove Top Espresso Cappichino Maker
 

I have been researching and trying to locate the best option for coffee that works well on the stove top.. I have found Moka, basic camping units or even a French press but really want some good coffee, and not the watery junk you get from a French press.

Anyway I would like to get feedback from anyone who has tried this item.  Stove Top Espresso Machine

Please let me know your good or bad inputs on this thing and any thoughts you might have.  It looks interesting but do not know anything about those types of machines.  If there is a better one please let me know.  I am really looking that makes just one or two cups quick does not require much cleanup and tastes really good.

I have recently learned how to go from coffee cherries to roasted cofee beans.  You can either use a popcorn popper oven or fry pan to roast your own small batches at a time. Then grind it up, pop it into a stop top machine for your own soup to nuts cup of hand made coffee. I figure with a setup like this and a few coffee plants I will be in pretty self sufficient in the coffee department.

Love to hear your feedback as I am anxious to pull the trigger on one of these but do not want to drop the money on one if they are not worthwhile

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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:26am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqyZC2haBI

Moka has a distinct flavor that is quite unlike anything else, but it is NOT espresso--and unfortunately, neither is this stovetop coffee machine. True espresso is only achieved by pushing water through the coffee at a pressure of over 9 bar, which standard steam pressure falls quite short of. This isn't to say this stovetop machine won't make delicious coffee, I am just gently advising you not to get your hopes up that it will taste anything like that which you would get from a cafe or home semi-auto espresso machine.
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:34am
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Thanks for the feedback.  The one on the first link does seem to be a steam pressure device!  On the second video it shows how it generates steam in the base of the unit.  check out the second video Second Video  Not sure about it, but it does look like it is making steam.
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:39am
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What I'm saying is that steam pressure alone is not anywhere near what espresso needs. It's why espresso machines have big levers or electric pumps. Steam pressure is about 1.5 bar, whereas you need six times as much pressure to actually make espresso. Also, like other methods of brewing coffee, this stovetop moka (because that's what it is, just in a different shape) will vary greatly depending on your grinder and bean age/quality.
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 1:24am
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Thanks for the explanation.  I will email them and ask what pressure it operates at.  Thanks for the help.  I really appreciate the feedback
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 8:34am
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<edit -- see below>

 
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 2:50pm
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Here is a Cut/Paste of the emailed response to my question to them.  I have decided to just go ahead and buy one to try out.  I will post a photo of my unit when I get it if anyone is interested.  Hopefully it is as good tasting as it looks in the videos.  

--I did ask the sender of the original email if I could post their message on a web forum and they said that is ok.  Hopefully this permission complies with the forum rules of posting emails--


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Thank you for the email.  This is a good question and hopefully my answer is what you are looking for.

Normally the pressure of commercial espresso machines is very high (9-15 bar), however this stove top machine is designed to make a perfect espresso but at a lower pressure (approx 3 bar) for two main reasons.

1) Lower Pressure ensures greater safety for domestic use. The coffee maker is also equipped with a safety valve to ensure the pressure does not get too high that it becomes dangerous.

2) The main advantage is in the taste, because at the lower pressure the steam temperature is not scorching the coffee.  This is why most coffee bars run at the low range of pressure! Just like at higher pressure, the steam at 3 bar rises up and presses through the coffee mixture however the oils are not burned in the process, preserving the flavour.

Here is a good table that shows the higher the pressure the higher the temperature of the steam.  For example, the higher temp of some commercial units at 15 bar is almost 200c, and that is pressed through the coffee mixture!  http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/saturated-steam-properties-d_457.html

The unique patented design is different than other systems, but it still makes authentic tasting espresso, and many say it is much better tasting than many of those large and expensive machines.

If you need any more information please let me know and I will be happy to help.  They are great little coffee machines and a lot of our customers have them in addition to their larger Espresso machines.

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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 4:35pm
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Martin, please keep in mind that these people are trying to sell you something!

You seem to be resistant to what Markarian is trying to tell you.  There is no way to make true and proper espresso on the stove top.  Period.  This doesn't mean that a moka pot can't make great tasting coffee; it can (and does), but it isn't anything close to real (or "true") espresso.  No big deal, as moka pots are actually the #1 method of making coffee in Italian homes.

Your stove top "espresso" machine doesn't make espresso either, but it may make some very tasty coffee.

The response you received from Carolyn is filled with self-promotion, scare tactics, and misinformation.
Thank you for the email.  This is a good question and hopefully my answer is what you are looking for.

Normally the pressure of commercial espresso machines is very high (9-15 bar), however this stove top machine is designed to make a perfect espresso but at a lower pressure (approx 3 bar) for two main reasons.

martybis Said:

1) Lower Pressure ensures greater safety for domestic use. The coffee maker is also equipped with a safety valve to ensure the pressure does not get too high that it becomes dangerous.

Posted September 21, 2013 link

Yes, if you use a real espresso machine, your house will be blown up and destroyed in a massive explosion, and not only will you lose your house, but all your former neighbors will sue you for the devastation you've caused.

martybis Said:

2) The main advantage is in the taste, because at the lower pressure the steam temperature is not scorching the coffee.  This is why most coffee bars run at the low range of pressure! Just like at higher pressure, the steam at 3 bar rises up and presses through the coffee mixture however the oils are not burned in the process, preserving the flavour.

Posted September 21, 2013 link

A lot of manufacturers tout the fact they have a 15 bar pump in their home machines.  It's actually irrelevant, because no one exceeds 9 bar in real life.  But aside from those machines that have pressure profiling, every commercial machine runs at 9 bar . . .

This is NOT to say that this machine sucks, or that it's horrible.  It simply isn't espresso.

 
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 5:11pm
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Here is a recent thread from Home Barista about the Kamira:

Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

 
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 5:38pm
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sweaner Said:

Here is a recent thread from Home Barista about the Kamira:

Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

Posted September 21, 2013 link

I watched that video and another the video maker apparently made.  Over 90% of the brew coming out of the Kamira appeared to be thick foam.  Is that typical?

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