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Alonzo
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 7:20pm
Subject: How to descale Double boiler machine
 

Hi

I just upgraded my machine from HX to Rocket R58
It's a used one so I decided to descale it but no idea how to do it.
I know how to descale the HX machine and also have an experience.
The descale procedure is same as for HX?

thanks in advance.
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:29pm
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Hi Alonzo here are some links that you might find useful.  It looks as though CCS does not recommend descaling the R58.

Click Here (www.chriscoffee.com)

Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com)

Click Here (www.home-barista.com)
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:18pm
Subject: Re: How to descale Double boiler machine
 

Thanks for the links!
Most of the time, manuals are written to prevent someone with no skill to turn a screwdriver from working on a device, regardless of what it is, this is why there are stickers everywhere warning that only a tech can go beyond that point.

Descaling a machine is not hard. In a nutshell, (see above links, they likely will go into more detail than here) you make a batch of descaling fluid, open the water line, get the fluid into the boiler(s) let set then flush with fresh water until no trace of the fluid is present.

Depending on machine, how you get the soultion in may and will vary. In a machine with an internal tank, simply put it in the tank. If it is plumb in, you may need to break the water feed line and plumb in a tank to suck the fluid from to enter the boiler.

That is pretty much it. Just like a HX, thinking about it is the hard part.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:25pm
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Mod note:
I deleted the dupe thread.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 1:31pm
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yeah, it's not hard at all.  Just follow one of those guides or the one in the Vibiemme DB manual (a recommended download for every DB owner due to it thoroughness, after all it was written by none other than frcn, btw) or the directions on 1st-line, or Stefano's...

Basically, you make the solution, then run it into the boilers/lines, let it sit for a while (how long depends mostly on water hardness and date of last descale), then flush it all out.  As Wayne said, if you're plumbed in, you'll need to disconnect and then run the line from a tank with the solution.  In my machine, which allows reservoir or tank mode, it's a matter of making sure the lever is turned to reservoir mode. You'll flush through the group and then the hot water wand, typically in that order.  If you want to do a "full boiler" descale, it's only a little bit more complicated, as you have to open the machine while cold, then disconnect a boiler level sensor.  Stefano's has great directions for that.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 1:37pm
Subject: Re: How to descale Double boiler machine
 

Thanks a lot everybody. and thank you for deleting the duplicated posting.
No idea how the previous owner took care of it but I noticed the lime built up on the steam side. However, as far as I know there is no way to descale steam side easily as no one recommends to open the steam valve to descale the machine. The only option I guess I have is to open the hot water valve to descale the service boiler.
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 2:07pm
Subject: Re: How to descale Double boiler machine
 

Well, as you know, one boiler is hot water/steam the other brewing. Make sure solution gets to both. The steam wand, well you can take the tip off and that goes for the water too and clean them. I doubt there will be much if any in the valves or tubes.

On drip brewers, Bunn provides a coil spring device to worm through the brew pipes to clean them out. You might look to see if something like that may work for you but as always, YMMV!

 
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