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perceval
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 9:05pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

I hate being undecided...

A week ago, I decided on the La Scala Butterfly, as there was a good deal on one with a temp meter mod already done.  But the seller had a change of heart and kept the machine.

So a new one is about $1,700.  

But I found a one year old Vivaldi Mini II for just $150 more.

Since I will go with a tank version (plumbed is not possible at the moment) I was getting a little wary that the "water dance" of a HX machine would mean constant refilling the tank, as a DB would be easier to manage.

I plan to buy my machine within 2 weeks... gotta stop the indecision and stick with one at some point!

Got advice?
Thanks!
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 10:47pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

Both machines require flushes to clear spent grounds and while HX need to flush to cool, most DB require flushes to warm so the difference isn't as much as you might think. Both work great so that is not an issue, if they are as expensive as you say there, a DBmay be a whole lot of extra money for a very little if any gain. Just something to think about.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 9, 2013, 12:48am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

I see your point regarding the amount of water spent.

The Vivaldi would be only $150 more, but second-hand.  The Butterfly is new.

I may have been caught up in the "more is better" with all the Vivaldi's gadgetry... the LED temp, the volumetric, etc...

One of the things that appealed to me with the Butterfly L1 is that there are no fancy buttons to break!

Both machines are very different, but I like both of them, in terms of looks.  I'd see any of those two in my kitchen!

Now, which one....
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Posted Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:38pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

both are great machines.  The Oscar I wouldn't bother.  Considering the retail prices in north America you're getting the better deals in the La Scala and  Vivaldi for sure.  If it was me I'd opt for the Vivaldi (only cause the grass is greener on the other side and I have an E61) as its a great machine.  Between the two and the marginal price difference which look entices you more?  They are very different in looks.
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Posted Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

Yeah, I have scratched the Oscar from my list and down to the La Scala and the Vivaldi.

As which one I would prefer...  that's a tough one.

To help, I've drawn on one of my (way too many) hobbies!  Motorcycles!

Regarding looks (and if we stay italian), I see the Vivaldi like a newer styled race bike like the Ducati 1098, and the La Scala like an old style GT1000.

I don't have a Ducati, but I have a classic Triumph Bonneville... That's more my style.

So, I guess, in terms of looks, I like the La Scala better.  
Classic old style, no fancy buttons or electronics to break down in the long run... 'cos I intend to keep that one for a long time.

Also, the La Scala takes a bit less space on the kitchen counter... which I don't have in abundance.  

I think I have made up my mind.

:)
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 8:38am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

Great, be sure to post back on how it goes and update us. Also review your machine in the consumer review section for the next guy.

 
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

Coffeenoobie Said:

Great, be sure to post back on how it goes and update us. Also review your machine in the consumer review section for the next guy.

Posted September 11, 2013 link

I will!

But I have to wait a bit as the machine will be shipped from Italy.  The local distributor is out of stock and is waiting on the factory to send them some inventory.

And I hate waiting!  

They told me around mid-October... I'll just have to be a little patient...
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:42pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II
 

Good luck.  The La Scala should work well for you and the classic looks does draw attention more than the Vivaldi will to non enthusiasts.
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Posted Sat Oct 26, 2013, 7:18am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home!
 

Finally!

After what seemed like a never ending wait, my Butterfly arrived home, directly from La Scala Italy.  Cool!

The waiting was caused by La Scala having trouble sourcing the Sirai pressure switch they use ... distributor issues, I was told.
Roberto at La Scala was great to deal with.  Kept me informed on progress the whole time.  Amazing customer service.

Anyway, it is here and ....  it is GORGEOUS!

Pictures don't do it justice.  In person, it is a work of art.

Had it only one day so far, so my experience has been somewhat limited!
I'm still struggling finding the perfect combination of grind for single and double baskets... It will come in time.... need to spend a whole rainy morning on it!

The steaming ability is amazing and I made a perfect thick froth on my first try.  
It came equipped with a 2-hole tip, and initially, I thought I would upgrade to a 3-hole... but nope, the 2-hole tip is fine!

I'll get to know it a bit more before I post my review in the review section.
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Posted Sat Oct 26, 2013, 9:24am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home!
 

Congrats! It is SOOOOOOOO hard to wait but it sounds like the vendor helped as much as they could:-)  do get to know it better and let us know how you are getting along :-). :-). :-)

 
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