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D4F
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 2:14pm
Subject: Re: the Gaggia Classic Halfwit needs help after work done by professionals
 

Sorry, if the backflush comment was aimed at my above post.  I printed up condensed information that I found from the Urnex site, and included the backflush information as I had stored it and then pasted it all here.  I realize that you were not talking about backflush.  I do backflush with a Gaggia "cleaning" tablet because I purchased some when I got the machine.  The Urnex information came up as a recurring question and I will probably use that when I need more supply.

I am aware that Gaggia does not say to backflush.  If I read my Classic manual correctly the only service that should be attempted by the user is descale.  I believe from reading in the forum that most machines with 3 way valve get backflushed, or eventually the 3 way does not work well.  YMMV

You can search Citric and aluminum.  Many feel that a short exposure to citric or other acid for descale will not hurt the machine.  It should be flushed thoroughly when done.  Some say to check the ph of your water and make sure that it is not acidic and add a pinch of HCO3/baking soda if it is, as the aluminum with have trouble with long term acid exposure.  Some will not use aluminum boilers or cook pans.  But, a whole other subject...

 
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 2:45pm
Subject: Re: the Gaggia Classic Halfwit needs help after work done by professionals
 

YMMV?
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D4F
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 3:04pm
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M_R Said:

YMMV?

Posted August 26, 2013 link

Standard disclaimer in automobile gas milage, the car get 50 miles per gallon, but your milage may vary.  Common internet/forum term for your results may vary, you may choose to do things differently, or that is my opinion and yours may vary.

For reference is you come across something like this, you can type it Google or another search and find it :)

 
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 3:16pm
Subject: Re: the Gaggia Classic Halfwit needs help after work done by professionals
 

I tried to do that; but to my rage and impotent fury, something has interfered with my Google search; and when I enter a search term the result is shown in Google Translate.
Trying to solve that one oughta keep me busy for a while ...
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 5:53pm
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M_R Said:

click here
This bloke says, as anyone following the link will find,
"IMPORTANT NOTE! None of the domestic espresso machine manufacturers recommend backflushing, and any damage that occurs while you're doing it will not be covered by warranty!"
Putting aside for the moment all the input re kind of descaling cleaner to use, I am flabbergasted by that quote: Renzo told me that I should backflush on a regular basis!
I had been about to write: all this about descaling isn't frightfully relevant to me inasmuch as I can't get the same stuff that you guys can; so I think I might stick to backflushing ... and then I read the above.
It's a trap for young players, all this - and for old. Everyone has a different opinion. Everyone has stories to tell about how good/bad it was doing X/Y.
As far as I can see, you can't win.
:-|
(I expect to hear from the electrician some time today, Nobby ...)

Posted August 26, 2013 link

Yeah, and a decade ago that was absolutely true. These days Lelit, for instance, include a blind filter in the box.

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M_R
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 6:24pm
Subject: Re: the Gaggia Classic Halfwit needs help after work done by professionals
 

A decade ago WHAT was absolutely true, Alan? - I'm guessing you mean that warning against backflushing ...
So that page is out of date?
I'm rendered very nervous about both descaling and backflushing now: it seems that either operation is fraught with danger.
Having just had Renzo 'phone to tell me that the bloody electrician has called in sick today and won't be back till tomorrow (if then), it's all seeming rather academic: I'm beginning to think I'll never have my beautiful machine back.
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:43pm
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M_R Said:

 all this about descaling isn't frightfully relevant to me inasmuch as I can't get the same stuff that you guys can; so I think I might stick to backflushing

Posted August 26, 2013 link

Now, backflushing and descaling is a whole different thing. While backflushing removes coffee oil residues that otherwise would cake up, go rancid and deteriorate taste, descaling removes calcium deposits inside the boiler and pipes that can clog the machine and damage the heating elements. However, you can only backflush machines with a solenoid valve, such as the Gaggia Classic.

The safest way of descaling your machine is to use Gaggia's own stuff.

alanfrew Said:

These days Lelit, for instance, include a blind filter in the box.

Posted August 26, 2013 link

So does Rocket Espresso.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:47pm
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It's not available in Australia: I've looked and looked, and called suppliers of cleaning stuff. They all say, of course, that one doesn't need the Gaggia product, that any of the reputable brands will do.
If I do ever get my machine back in working order, I'll be looking into this VERY carefully, you may be sure...
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Posted Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:45am
Subject: Re: the Gaggia Classic Halfwit needs help after work done by professionals
 

Most descaling agents actually contain citric acid, so they're not much good for your machine. There's an alternative product, though: Is Durgol Swiss Espresso descaler available in Australia?

 
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Posted Tue Aug 27, 2013, 1:22am
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Yes! - I can buy it through fishpond.com.au. Wunderbar, Nobby!
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