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diyroberts
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Posted Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:25pm
Subject: We're opening a new coffee shop - so which espresso machine?!?
 

Hi all,

Great to find a place to get solid advice!

So myself and a business partner are opening a new Coffee shop in Cardiff. We're new to this industry - but through our extensive research we still have queries therefore we'd like to get some advice from industry experts.

So, which machine would you suggest if we're estimating 200 cups per day (75 in our busiest hour)? Further to this, we're considering weather to buy it outright or lease - advice would be appreciated.

I look forward to hearing all of your thoughts!

Thanks
Will
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Posted Sun Aug 18, 2013, 1:57pm
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Welcome to CG!  

200 cups per day is on the low side but ideal for a start IMO.  I have heard of some cafe's making that much per hour.  I would think about investing in a good 2 group machine or larger.  They can handle 100-200 espresso's per hour without any disruption in heat in the boiler.  If you choose a machine that cant handle the demand then you will end up serving warm, sour espresso.  I wouldn't finance or lease a machine.  Once you get business you will earn enough cash to pay off the machine in several months or less.  This  video will explain things for you a bit.  

Here is an example of a good machine I think will suite your needs.  
Rancilio Epoca E2 Group
This machine can handle 240 espresso's per hour.

Some top brands are Nuova Simonelli, Rancilio, La Marzocco, Rocket.  IME I have found that Rancilio makes machines that are more on the affordable side.  I refurbed an old VFA 2 group machine but I will be eventually be replacing it with the machine mentioned above.
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Posted Sun Aug 18, 2013, 3:30pm
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Standard Business Advice:

Service is most important.  Downtime is lost money. Who is around to service it and what type do they like to service the most.

Roasters often will lease/give/discount machines if you sign a coffee contract.

 
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Posted Sun Aug 18, 2013, 5:55pm
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diyroberts Said:

So myself and a business partner are opening a new Coffee shop in Cardiff. We're new to this industry
Will

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Find out what your barista has experience with and is comfortable with. From those narrowed options, see what you can get from a dealer that offers service calls in your area, stocks parts and has good reviews. Far better to fill your barista's requirements than this list's.
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 1:31pm
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Burner0000 Said:

Welcome to CG!  

200 cups per day is on the low side but ideal for a start IMO.  I have heard of some cafe's making that much per hour.  I would think about investing in a good 2 group machine or larger.  They can handle 100-200 espresso's per hour without any disruption in heat in the boiler.  If you choose a machine that cant handle the demand then you will end up serving warm, sour espresso.  I wouldn't finance or lease a machine.  Once you get business you will earn enough cash to pay off the machine in several months or less.  This  video will explain things for you a bit.  

Here is an example of a good machine I think will suite your needs.  
Rancilio Epoca E2 Group
This machine can handle 240 espresso's per hour.

Some top brands are Nuova Simonelli, Rancilio, La Marzocco, Rocket.  IME I have found that Rancilio makes machines that are more on the affordable side.  I refurbed an old VFA 2 group machine but I will be eventually be replacing it with the machine mentioned above.

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Hello,

Thank you for this advice, it has given us a lot of food for thought!
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 1:32pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

Standard Business Advice:

Service is most important.  Downtime is lost money. Who is around to service it and what type do they like to service the most.

Roasters often will lease/give/discount machines if you sign a coffee contract.

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Thank you!
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 1:33pm
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SStones Said:

Find out what your barista has experience with and is comfortable with. From those narrowed options, see what you can get from a dealer that offers service calls in your area, stocks parts and has good reviews. Far better to fill your barista's requirements than this list's.

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I totally understand, we will find out
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 3:01pm
Subject: Re: We're opening a new coffee shop - so which espresso machine?!?
 

Pardon my wrench in the rotating parts but:

So you do your pro-forma income statements, which include the Lamborgini of Espresso Machines, or not.

In my humble experience, a stellar espresso shot is only possible within ten days of the roast. A creamy sweet espresso coffee shot falls into the cup over the next twenty to thirty seconds; crema tsunami, if you are within ten days.  Just for chuckles, go 30 one the same bean/roast/grind and you will see a sink shot.  

You can run a successful coffee related business without losing sleep at night over your beans, if you wish.  Make sure you have it sorted out, in your business thinking, what you want to be and what you claim to be.  

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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 3:23pm
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