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Posted Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:29am
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Just came across a new machine that Breville is releasing.  The BES980.  Check it out.

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Posted Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:35am
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Does it have a better build quality than their previous models? Why would I want one? What market is it aimed at? Is it also made in China? Does it come
with the same zero questions replacement policy as the others?
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Posted Thu Aug 15, 2013, 8:58pm
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Ok I did it, I watched the video...now I feel dumb and like some mutant strand of a stupidity virus is crawling up through my cerebral cortex.
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Posted Fri Aug 16, 2013, 5:46am
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Reminds me of a Bose commercial...
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Posted Fri Aug 16, 2013, 9:46am
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Brevilles competing against the superautos with this model, and in that regards, pretty sure it'll kill superautos in taste in the cup and drinks overall. Kinda cool in a way to give superauto shoppers that want that convenience but don't want a sh!t cup of coffee lol, I wouldn't buy one but there's a market for this. The regular dual boiler you'll be able to descale at home now when the new model comes out too. Like a friend with a Jura C9 which is pretty expensive, would totally junk that thing and get this, he doesn't want to bother grinding or dosing or tamping or distributing etc...so he's put's up with the crap coffee the Jura makes for the convenience, if he could have that similar convenience with a way better cup he'd be all for it.
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Posted Fri Aug 16, 2013, 5:58pm
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Clearly I need to sell what I have and rush out to buy this.  Storing the beans over the boiler must really add flavor!

 
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Posted Fri Aug 16, 2013, 7:22pm
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Oh, Helen, there you go again . . . ;^)

 
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Posted Sat Aug 17, 2013, 1:38am
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You know, I really have to admire Breville for going out on a limb and making something very new which nobody has done before.

I hope more Superautos use this design philosophy, it looks like it would be very reliable in comparison to conventional consumer grade super-autos.

I'd love to see a very experienced Coffee Geek review this machine and see what they think about it.

I agree that machines which keep the beans above the boiler isn't the best design, but for a space limited kitchen, I can see it having some value.
I can also see people who use this machine using the single dose method to ensure that the beans don't spoil from the boiler heat.

When Achille Gaggia started manufacturing the first lever machines, the other espresso manufacturers at the time ridiculed his machine because
they produced "Scuma" ontop of the coffee and it wasn't supposed to be desirable.

So, lets see where this goes. Would you take one of these machines over a super-auto if you had no other choice?

 
Garbage In, Garbage Out, for every step of the process. From Beans to grinder, grounds to machine, coffee to cup.
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Posted Sat Aug 17, 2013, 5:09am
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Posted Sat Aug 17, 2013, 5:38am
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I can not tell if the original poster was trolling, advertising or seriously interested, but the article was written by someone who knows nothing about espresso machines and seems to have missed editing. That's alright, maybe they're not a professional publication, but they're a little misleading. It seems they want to convince us that there are no automatic machines on the market, and potentially never have been, excepting the super-automatics.
The video is just a commercial. But it does answer the question of "Who is the target market for this $2500 chintz". People who think they love super-automatic starbucks sweetened lattes will very likely think this machine is perfect.
I want one, but wouldn't pay more than $700 for it. Putting a $200 Krups knockoff into a box with a $95 grinder and adding a mechanical tamper over a portafilter holder does not make the box worth $2500.
I do like the bright idea of having that HX circuit raising the brew water temp without having to have the grouphead overheated by a high brew-boiler temp.
I look forward to the reviews.
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