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osteenjames
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 7:26pm
Subject: Rancilio silva or Bezzera BZ10 Machine
 

Forgive me I am new to making espresso. I recently bought a Breville 800ESXL machine for a steal. I'm looking for cafe-shop quality shots of espresso. My budget is 1000.00 to 1600.00.
I was looking at Bezzera BZ10, and the BZ02 and Rancilio Silva machine. Which is best for the money, and quality of shot?

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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 5:12am
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I only have experience with the Silvia and IMO it does produce cafe quality espresso.  What it lacks though compared to Bezzera is boiler size.  The Bezzera's are commercial machines.  The Silvia is more home use.  I would go with Bezzera over the Silvia if your budget allows it.  The extra boiler size will help you maintain boiler temp while you pull a shot as well as give you double the steam pressure over the Silvia.  Auto refill is another + over the Silvia. 1st Line has a good deal on the BZ02.
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 6:42am
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In MHO, the Bezzera BZ 10 is not commercial, it is well into the prosumer class though. It is a vibe pump HX with a 1.5 l boiler. There is no realistic way to compare that to a Sylvia, apples and oranges.

Sylvia can produce a good shot, no doubt about it but it is a good consumer class SBDU. It is much more tempermental in pulling shots due to the smaller boiler and that as you pull the shot, you add cold water into the boiler, cooling the water in the boiler. This is rectified somewhat with the addition of a PID to monitor and keep the water stable but then that adds to the price and you still have a SBDU machine.

The BZ10 is a Heat eXchanger machine. The boiler is maintained at a stable temp and the brew water is heated by flowing through a tube in the boiler EXCHANGING some of the heat in the boiler to the brew water. The boiler does not cool at nearly the same rate and a much more stable shot is produced. As the brew water is heated by a tube inside but not connected to the boiler, if you do not pull shots for a while, the brew water sitting in the HX tube, will become the same temp as the boiler water, and be too hot for shots, thus the HX flush, you simply turn the brew circuit on and move around 3 oz or so of water out of the system to restore the thermal balance to the machine. Once this is done, you can pull shot after shot at a very consistent temp but yet if you wish to, you can alter the brew temp a few deg one way or the other by flushing a little more or waiting a little longer between shots, making the HX a very flexable machine to use. The flushed water can be flushed into your cup to warm it, this is what I do and it isn't a big deal at all. Remembrer All machines need a flush to clear spent grounds from the brew system, HX flush to bring the water temp down and most DB machines flush to warm the group head, this can also apply to SBDU machines. So flushing is a part of making espresso no matter how you do it.

 
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 11:03am
Subject: Re: Rancilio silva or Bezzera BZ10 Machine
 

osteenjames Said:

I'm looking for cafe-shop quality shots of espresso.

Posted August 6, 2013 link

So what grinder are you intending to pair with the machine?

osteenjames Said:

Which is best for the money

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I don't think you'll find anyone that says that the Silvia is best for the money.  It has been widely regarded as overpriced for years now.

calblacksmith Said:

In MHO, the Bezzera BZ 10 is not commercial, it is well into the prosumer class though. It is a vibe pump HX with a 1.5 l boiler. There is no realistic way to compare that to a Sylvia, apples and oranges.

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In a nutshell, same here.  Why is the OP shopping the Silvia against the BZ10?
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 12:19pm
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I agree with Wayne and Don. As implied in Don's post, you aren't going to get cafe quality shots from ANY machine unless you have a cafe quality grinder and freshly roasted quality beans.

And yeah...kind of strange that you came up with those machines to decide between.
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 2:01pm
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emradguy Said:

And yeah...kind of strange that you came up with those machines to decide between.
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Bezzera is the step daddy of Pasquini Livia.  Don't want to step on a Silvia but if you have the Dough Re Mi, go Bazzera....or Pasquini........
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