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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 8:16am
Subject: New Gaggia choking..
 

I just got a brand spanking new Gaggia. I also ordered a Vario grinder which is still enroute. When I got the Gaggia it was not working. Seemed like it was dropped. All pins inside were bent etc. The pump dislodged and hit few things to make my day.

AnyWho... I opened it up and connected it back and fired it up. It actually worked perfectly. After 4-5 shots with my old coffee beans in the old grinder (timing was around 40 seconds) I removed the beans and put fresh ones in. This is where everything stopped making sense...

I used the same grind setting (its a Delonghi KG89 grinder) and no matter what setting I use, the machine chokes completely..

What I did
1) Tried new beans and used the double cup and tamped as usual. Put it in and turned on the machine.. NOTHING. No drips even.
2) Removed the coffee which was wet and just tried without coffee. Got normal flow through portafilter
3) Changed grind to coarse and tamped as usual. One or two drops per 10 seconds
4) Changed to further coarser and tamped very lightly. Some dripping but nothing much
5) Tried without coffee. Works ok and good flow
6) Tried single cup and same issue as above.
7) Tried Single cup with half of the coffee and WAY LESS coffee (almost 1/3rd) and tamped very light. same issue

Note sure whats going on. Will try again today with old coffee that I had and also without tamping but wanted to ask if someone has seen this?  I will try to get replacement but since the filter works without coffee and this is a pressurized filter, I am inclined to think that pump is fine (sound etc is good).

Thanks for the help
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 8:49am
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That grinder is not up to the task of supplying coffee to an espresso machine. I am sure that you have read that the grinder is more important than the espresso machine. A pressurized portafilter requires a coarse(r) grind and little to no tamping- just enough to level the coffee.

My advice- Get the non-enhanced portafilter and buy a good grinder (but ask first before purchasing to avoid disappointment). If cost is a factor, there are very good hand grinders for about $75-100 that would quite well for espresso.

 
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:33am
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Agreed that I wouldn't worry too much until you have a good grinder.

That said however if you are putting in a small amount of very course ground coffee and not getting any flow at all, I would start being prepared to think you may have a genuine problem. How course is course and how much is a small amount is left wide open to interpretation... perhaps with the new grinder if you mention your setting, and if you can also provide an amount of coffee used (by weight in grams is preferable) then it will be easy enough to tell if you are OK or not or give you a direction to go as to what to change.

Which Gaggia did you get and what exactly happened to it?
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 1:42pm
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FA Said:

I just got a brand spanking new Gaggia. .... Seemed like it was dropped. All pins inside were bent etc. The pump dislodged and hit few things to make my day.

AnyWho... I opened it up and connected it back and fired it up.

Posted August 6, 2013 link

Point #1: Did you buy it from a reputable vendor? You should be able to get it exchanged.

I used the same grind setting (its a Delonghi KG89 grinder) and no matter what setting I use, the machine chokes completely..

What I did
1) Tried new beans and used the double cup and tamped as usual. Put it in and turned on the machine.. NOTHING. No drips even.
2) Removed the coffee which was wet and just tried without coffee. Got normal flow through portafilter
3) Changed grind to coarse and tamped as usual. One or two drops per 10 seconds
4) Changed to further coarser and tamped very lightly. Some dripping but nothing much
5) Tried without coffee. Works ok and good flow
6) Tried single cup and same issue as above.
7) Tried Single cup with half of the coffee and WAY LESS coffee (almost 1/3rd) and tamped very light. same issue

Note sure whats going on. Will try again today with old coffee that I had and also without tamping but wanted to ask if someone has seen this?  I will try to get replacement but since the filter works without coffee and this is a pressurized filter, I am inclined to think that pump is fine (sound etc is good).

With pressurized baskets, I found that sometimes a stubborn coffee grain can get stuck in the single exit hole at the bottom of the basket. Use the tool that came with the machine and try to clear the hole.

You said that the pump seems ok ("sound etc is good"): when you ran it against a 1/3-full, lightly tamped coarse coffee (and only drips came out) -- did it sound strained?
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 3:46pm
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Thanks for the replies.

The machine is Gaggia Classic. Its from Amazon so returning it is easy but I am just perplexed but it seems I have a solution

The machine chokes with my new beans I have started using (to celeberate that machine...ironic). For some reason on the same setting on my grinder as my old beans, it chokes. On a coarser setting it works but I am seriously surprised how coarse it needed to be for it to work.

I cannot taste my epsresso today (I am fasting!). The espresso looks good and I will know in 3 hrs if it is tasting good :-)

By the way the pump strains when there was no flow and mutes up a bit. With it flowing it has a vibrating noise to it that dampens a lot when no flow happens. BUT, and its a big but, there is no over pressurre release to the reservoir as far as I can see.

Anywho, I will check and update if the espresso is good enough.
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 5:02pm
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FA Said:

Thanks for the replies.

The machine is Gaggia Classic. Its from Amazon so returning it is easy but I am just perplexed but it seems I have a solution

The machine chokes with my new beans I have started using (to celeberate that machine...ironic). For some reason on the same setting on my grinder as my old beans, it chokes. On a coarser setting it works but I am seriously surprised how coarse it needed to be for it to work.

I cannot taste my epsresso today (I am fasting!). The espresso looks good and I will know in 3 hrs if it is tasting good :-)

By the way the pump strains when there was no flow and mutes up a bit. With it flowing it has a vibrating noise to it that dampens a lot when no flow happens. BUT, and its a big but, there is no over pressurre release to the reservoir as far as I can see.

Anywho, I will check and update if the espresso is good enough.

Posted August 6, 2013 link

Hope you get it solved, but personally, especially given that this is a new machine -- I would exchange it.

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Posted Thu Aug 8, 2013, 2:56pm
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OK. I got a replacement but same thing. I guess it is the new beans. I used a non pressured portafilter as well. The gring has to be coarse for them to work. My previous beans (starbucks) worked much finer without issue.

So......

Next step is to check pressure somehow of this machine with my old one as that one (EC155) worked better with the new beans at much finer setting (maybe that one is higher pressure?). Note that I tried my ESE pods and the gaggia (BOTH of them) chocked.
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Posted Thu Aug 8, 2013, 2:58pm
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This may be a dumb question, but did you prime the pump?
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Posted Thu Aug 8, 2013, 3:04pm
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I think so. I turn pump until water comes out of head? I also started the pump through steam wand at one time. Am I missing something?
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Posted Thu Aug 8, 2013, 3:16pm
Subject: Re: New Gaggia choking..
 

If you are getting steady water out of the head my guess would be you are fine there. There are more advanced instructions here: http://www.partsguru.com/user/Priming%20pump.pdf
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