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CarloM
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Posted Fri Nov 29, 2013, 10:22am
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I've come full circle to embracing the LED lights. I don't turn them on all the time, but I do every now and again, and definitely for guests, most of whom like them.

I'm currently thinking about investigating how hard it would be to swap out lights. There are some LED lights I've seen that slowly cycle through the various colors, I think that would be cool. Also making one blue and one red would give it the Vader vs. Luke lightsaber colors. Not that I'm the sort of geek that would enjoy that. ;)
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Posted Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:09am
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CarloM Said:

I've come full circle to embracing the LED lights. I don't turn them on all the time, but I do every now and again, and definitely for guests, most of whom like them.

I'm currently thinking about investigating how hard it would be to swap out lights. There are some LED lights I've seen that slowly cycle through the various colors, I think that would be cool. Also making one blue and one red would give it the Vader vs. Luke lightsaber colors. Not that I'm the sort of geek that would enjoy that. ;)

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CarloM, the cycling lights sounds pretty cool!  Post 'em up here (website) so we can check them out, too!  Thanks!
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ECM
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Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Quick Mill Vetrano 2B
Grinder: Mazzer Robour E
Vac Pot: French Press
Drip: no
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Posted Wed Dec 11, 2013, 3:41pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Hello everyone:

Allow me to thank everyone who participated in this forum.  I found your information and banter very useful.  So helpful in fact I just took ownership of my new Vetrano 2B yesterday evening shipped to me in Canada by CCS.  May I say that I am very impressed with the unit.  

I started my journey on a ECM Giotto Premium which I owned for ten years.  I then upgraded to a La Marzocco GS3 which I only had for three months due to moving expenses.  I realize you canít really compare the 2B to the GS3 but one canít help it.  

The only real difference other then capacity and sheer bruit ability and excellent temperature stability is this: the GS3 was very consistent; regardless of what mistakes I would make in grind or dossing.  The Vetrano on the other hand requires the operator to pay attention to what their doing.  This sounds like a negative but really itís not.  I like having a bigger part now in the preparation of my coffee.    Having said that I hate seeing an uneven extraction which I am tending to create at the moment.  Letís be clear; itís not the Vetrano, itís me.   This could be due to my new grinder or perhaps my under developed skills as this is the first time Iím pulling shots since July.  

The only other very small observation I would mention concerns the portafilters.  Simply put they feel flimsy in the hand.  Both the Giotto and GS3 had very substantial feeling PFís that were well made.  These fell light in comparison. I understand that Chris choose these Pfís and my comments are not directed at Chris.  Itís just my own opinion after coming from different equipment you tend to notice these things.   In the end it really doesnít matter to me as I only use the new Cafelat Bottomless PF which feels good to me and is 100% stainless steel like the GS3.      

The shots are sweet and very creamy.  I would put this machine on par with the Giotto Premium in terms of shot quality.  Obviously you canít get the separation of flavours one can get on the GS3 and thatís something I will have to get use to.  I also love how quiet it is.  The Giotto had a very loud preassurestat that  you could hear from across the room.  I really have to strain to hear any sounds coming from the Vetrano.  In terms of noise level itís on par with the GS3.  

I would like to extend a very heartfelt thank you to all the kind folks down there at CCS.  They are all top shelf industry specialists.  So much in fact I also bought my grinder from them.  Marry in particular is a superstar to deal with.  She always has time to answer all your questions and concerns.  I wish all my consumer experiences were so pleasurable.  

Thank you again guys and especially you Dave for all your expertise.  

Kind Regards,


Robert
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ECM
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Posted Wed Dec 11, 2013, 3:46pm
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P.S.

I have not heard the sound yet that everyone was talking about.  Obviously I'm listening for it to occur.  

Rob
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CarloM
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Posted Thu Dec 12, 2013, 9:11am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Hey Rob congratulations on your new purchase! I'm hoping you never hear the sound, but for me, it didn't occur in my first month or more of my ownership. Now it has gotten to the point where it doesn't really bother me. Both CCS and Dave assure me that it doesn't harm the pump/motor of the machine, and that would have been my main concern.

It's interesting reading your perspective coming "down" from a GS3 (and by that I'm not casting aspersions on our beloved V2B, I'm just using the word "down" to symbolize going from a $6700 machine to a $2300 machine). I'm came up from a PID'd Silvia so of course my perspective is in some ways the opposite of yours. I guess it's like they say, no matter how hot the girl you're dating, there's always a hotter girl. I'm glad I haven't had a chance to work with the GS/3 because quite frankly I couldn't afford to even entertain the thought of dropping 6K on a machine. :)

I can definitively say that as time wore on I made better drinks on the V2B. I won't say I've plateaued, but I've stabilized so that I'm extracting pretty good shots nearly every time (except when I change beans and need to dial it in again). The skill I've gotten better at but still have room for improvement is latte art quality milk. I get pretty good hearts and even some entry-level rosettas going, but I don't quite get the double/triple rosetta and other fancy action going, and I'd really like to be able to do that some day. I also need to experiment with whole milk. I'm trying to live a slightly healthier lifestyle so I always use 2%, and I understand that you get better foam from whole milk.
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Posted Thu Dec 12, 2013, 8:38pm
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ECM Said:

Thank you again guys and especially you Dave for all your expertise.  

Robert

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Well I only wish my test units had some noise during the review period, but they didn't. I think I know what the root cause is and It will be exacerbated by any air in the system. I have sent the UK Retailer a technical brief to correct it, but I don't want to say any more really until I hear whether QM are going to do it and if it has worked. This all depends on whether the UK retailer uses their purchasing power to force QM to make the changes,.  QM used the same pump inlet and feed technology from the Vetrano Rotary. It was the reason I was quite relaxed about it (in hindsight, because I did have a niggling concern), but I should have remembered that the Vetrano was an HX machine and reacts a little differently. It will make QM reluctant to make the changes I am suggesting, because it works in the Vetrano, but I am hopeful they can be "persuaded". I suppose it is a change that "possibly could" be retrofitted by the user, but it wouldn't be very easy and I certainly won't bother even attempting it on my machine.

The whole incident has taught me one lesson though, I should definitely follow up on my "gut instincts". I remember that famous Star Trek Quote "No, Spock. He means that he feels safer about your guesses than most other people's facts", a retailer once said something very similar to me, I just need to believe it myself and perhaps revisit my "I only review on facts" philosophy..

P.S. At least you don't have to worry about heating all that water in the GS3....and the expense if anything goes wrong. In the earlier models I seem to remember the 3litre steam boiler couldn't be switched off, presumably they changed that in later models/firmware?
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DeanOK
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Posted Sat Dec 14, 2013, 9:47pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I have really enjoyed my V2B, however, I noticed the noise soon after it arrived. I have even had extended days where the noise was minimal... BUT about 10 days ago I had a three or four day stretch were the noise was quite a bit louder than normal and it seemed like it was there every time I turned the machine on. The last few days the noise is only there if I let the machine set without using it for an extended period of time and it rarely lasts more than 2 seconds.

I would like to stop the noise, but if I never stop it, I will still enjoy the machine....even when the noise is there, its not as noisy as a vibe pump machine.
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ECM
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Posted Sun Dec 15, 2013, 11:50am
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I'm still learning on the unit.  My shots have gotten a bit better but still have a long way to go.  My shots are tending to favour one side of the PF.  In checking if the unit is level it is so I guess it's my distribution or tamp that's off.  I'm quite pleased with the build quality and in fact, I think it's on par or above the old style ECM Gotooto's.  

Are these units from CCS suppose to come with two steam tips?  I only seem to have the four hole tip.  If there is another tip does it work better?  I find with the current one it's heating the milk too quickly.  

Dave:

Yes I'm quite glad I no longer have to heat up all the water in the GS3.  It really is a wasteful machine from the home but by God it made good espresso.  
I can't get over how quite this thing really is!  Even when sitting idle it's so quiet.  

Looking forward to getting better at my shots and especially my steaming.  

Rob
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Posted Sun Dec 15, 2013, 5:36pm
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ECM Said:

I'm still learning on the unit.  My shots have gotten a bit better but still have a long way to go.  My shots are tending to favour one side of the PF.  In checking if the unit is level it is so I guess it's my distribution or tamp that's off.  I'm quite pleased with the build quality and in fact, I think it's on par or above the old style ECM Gotooto's.  

Are these units from CCS suppose to come with two steam tips?  I only seem to have the four hole tip.  If there is another tip does it work better?  I find with the current one it's heating the milk too quickly.  

Dave:

Yes I'm quite glad I no longer have to heat up all the water in the GS3.  It really is a wasteful machine from the home but by God it made good espresso.  
I can't get over how quite this thing really is!  Even when sitting idle it's so quiet.  

Looking forward to getting better at my shots and especially my steaming.  

Rob

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The original pre-order group was supposed to have had a 4 hole tip. Many, if not all of them, actually shipped with a two hole tip. CCS made good on the original description and sent out 4 hole tips... however, I think many of us decided we liked the two hole tip better. The four hole is faster, but I could not do very good foam with it. I am sure an experienced person could probably use a 4 hole just fine, but I found the 2 hole to be easier to work with.
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ECM
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Posted Sun Dec 15, 2013, 5:50pm
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Yeah thus far I'm finding the 4 hole tip really fast.  Too fast really.  

Rob
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