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SylvainMtl
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 5:25am
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DeanOK Said:

Huh? Are you looking at the correct review?

As for your concerns about brass brew boilers.... here is Daves comments from the review on why he suggested a brass boiler:

"For most people (because only 25% of the population are supertasters split 35% of women and 15% of men) I am sure it's not an issue. The amount of copper is also not dangerous to health and copper (brass) has antibacterial properties which helps in a boiler. The Verona has a good quality brass brew boiler (and the right type of brass), because I can't taste anything, hot or cold the water has no "taint" to me, coffees taste cleaner and better. Does this mean that copper brew boilers are no good?...No, they have been used for years, most people can't taste it or are not really aware of it..BUT, if you are one of the people who can, the Verona is the machine for you! To me the coffee tastes cleaner and sweeter. There are other boiler materials, but I do like brass....I believe good quality brass is still used in Dalla Corte, La Spaziale Vivaldi (mini Vivaldi), La Marzocco GS3. Although none of these machines are using the same type of conventional boiler design as QM for their brew boilers."

Posted August 2, 2013 link

Dean, YES I read the review.... Gosh...

And your quote has nothing to do with my concerns about a brass boiler.  Brass boiler are subject to leak lead, that is my concern and that is why some manfacturers nickel plate them.
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 5:55am
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SylvainMtl Said:

Dean, YES I read the review.... Gosh...

And your quote has nothing to do with my concerns about a brass boiler.  Brass boiler are subject to leak lead, that is my concern and that is why some manfacturers nickel plate them.

Posted August 3, 2013 link

I don't believe anyone Nickel plates the interior of boilers any more (i think because it tends to come off) and I cannot imagine manufacturers are allowed to use brass that leeches harmful amounts of lead into the water. most brew groups are brass, fittings are mostly brass and the Italians have been doing this a long time. Me, I'm happy it's not going to harm me or my children and I don't believe our laws or yours would allow something harmful to be sold (certainly European Law is pretty hot on all that). However, if you are personally concerned, then a machine with a copper boiler is for you. I also helpfully gave a list of some prosumer machines that use brass boilers earlier, which you can refer to and there are others  such as  Gaggias and Sylvias etc..

I just thought it might be useful to see a video of the Verona in the UK pulling a shot against a blind filter, to ensure it was up to pressure. As you can hear....it's very quiet.  Remember though they're hand built, some might make more noise than others, BUT any tin rattles or buzzes are usually easily fixed by owners. I only did this, because I had the camera out to photograph those boilers, so thought I might as well shoot some video. :)

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Dave

P.S. To the super observant (I know there are many), the portafilter I used to the video was the nearest one to hand with a blind filter in it and is NOT the portafilter that comes with the machine, It in fact is an early Duetto one, but with a chromed end insert I put in myself..
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 6:14am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

DavecUK Said:

I don't believe anyone Nickel plates the interior of boilers any more (i think because it tends to come off) and I cannot imagine manufacturers are allowed to use brass that leeches harmful amounts of lead into the water. most brew groups are brass, fittings are mostly brass and the Italians have been doing this a long time. Me, I'm happy it's not going to harm me or my children and I don't believe our laws or yours would allow something harmful to be sold (certainly European Law is pretty hot on all that). However, if you are personally concerned, then a machine with a copper boiler is for you. I also helpfully gave a list of some prosumer machines that use brass boilers earlier, which you can refer to and there are others  such as  Gaggias and Sylvias etc..

I just thought it might be useful to see a video of the Verona in the UK pulling a shot against a blind filter, to ensure it was up to pressure. As you can hear....it's very quiet.  Remember though they're hand built, some might make more noise than others, BUT any tin rattles or buzzes are usually easily fixed by owners. I only did this, because I had the camera out to photograph those boilers, so thought I might as well shoot some video. :)

Click Here (www.youtube.com)

Dave

P.S. To the super observant (I know there are many), the portafilter I used to the video was the nearest one to hand with a blind filter in it and is NOT the portafilter that comes with the machine, It in fact is an early Duetto one, but with a chromed end insert I put in myself..

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I know that nickel can easily be removed by many acid based cleaners. This fact is well known in the ice machine industry. In fact, most ice machine manufacturers that have nickel plating on their evaporator specify that you must clean it with a nickel safe cleaner. Regular acid cleaner will remove the plating. I don't see where a boiler would be any different.

Here is an example of a nickel safe cleaner used in ice machines...
Click Here (www.rectorseal.com)
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 7:16am
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Nice polish on the front!

Btw I read the silvia comes with a state warning in California at least about the brass boiler.
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 8:01am
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Having used a diamond meshed drip tray cover, they tend to collect a bit more coffee residue vs the wire type used on the Spaz or Duetto 3. The material also tends to sound a bit tinnier when removing the drip tray. A cut out for the 3 way discharge tube would have been nice.

I could not see a full panel reinforcement behind the front panel, maybe it is just a smaller plate that just fits behind a smaller area behind the group head to help reduce flex but not greatly eliminate it. I know this does not effect the shot but something you supposedly gently pull on due to the soft thinner gaskets could have been done better.  

A lot of nice features, hoping to see what the early adopter Aussie chap says about the espresso and steaming even though its a higher voltage machine.
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 8:35am
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Thanks for all the updates Dave, now I'm more eagerly anticipating the U.S. shipment than ever!

After moving my refrigerator, stove, etc. and looking at the outlets behind said appliances, I've come to the sad conclusion that I don't have a 20A outlet anywhere in my apartment. However, I ran into my building manager who says he can easily install a 20A breaker and receptacle for me. I'm hoping he'll do so.

If the outlet I've currently hooked up my Silvia to is the one that can become 20A, then I'll have to use the beer bong funnel and hose method of refilling the water tank. Not the end of the world. Or buy a FloJet pump and put a 5 gallon water bottle next to it and plumb it in. I'm glad the Vetrona came along and made me delay my purchase. Originally I was all set on either a Mini Vivaldi or Dream T, but then I wouldn't have had the plumb/tank option which now become really useful for me if I decide to go with the FloJet.
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 9:55am
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gz20tt Said:

Safe in it's new home alongside Mr Mazzer

Posted July 31, 2013 link

Can you tell us how tall the legs are and if the plumbed drain attachment can be removed from the bottom of the machine without causing any issues?

I am thinking that there is a possibility I can pick up a few inches of clearance if I can install shorter stainless legs and remove that drain adapter. I have  1.5 inches (3.81 cm) clear from standard dimensions. If I can increase that by a couple of inches I can probably use a funnel and hose to fill the machine. This would keep me from having to move the machine to fill it but I know I would have to move the machine regularly to remove the reservoir and clean it... but at least I wouldn't have to every time if I can use a funnel and hose.
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 9:57am
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DeanOK Said:

Can you tell us how tall the legs are and if the plumbed drain attachment can be removed from the bottom of the machine without causing any issues?

I am thinking that there is a possibility I can pick up a few inches of clearance if I can install shorter stainless legs and remove that drain adapter. I have  1.5 inches (3.81 cm) clear from standard dimensions. If I can increase that by a couple of inches I can probably use a funnel and hose to fill the machine. This would keep me from having to move the machine to fill it but I know I would have to move the machine regularly to remove the reservoir and clean it... but at least I wouldn't have to every time if I can use a funnel and hose.

Posted August 3, 2013 link

Seems like the aussie disappeared.....
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:01am
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Davec,
I was looking for Verona documentation on BB site, and could not find it. Is there a way to get a pdf? Want to see if there are mtce instructions, etc...
thanks
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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:08am
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gz20tt Said:

Travel damage 2:

Posted July 31, 2013 link

I can see where this could lead to more travel damage on future machines, very tall legs, load becomes unbalanced and bends the unreinforced sheet metal connection point.
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