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gz20tt
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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:09pm
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Travel damage 3:

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gz20tt
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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:12pm
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Power cord comparison:

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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:15pm
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Pump and boilers:
You can just see the relay for the LED's in front of the pump - white thing with orange tips.

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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:16pm
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Old vs New

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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:17pm
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Old vs New 2

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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:18pm
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Safe in it's new home alongside Mr Mazzer

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cuznvin
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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:19pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

gz20tt Said:

Hi Everyone,
I've had the Vetrano 2B in my possession for just over 24 hours now.
Upon receipt, I took it down to my friendly local coffee technician for a check over.

I'll cover the bad first.
There was some shipping damage - although the unit came double boxed and there was no visible damage to either - one leg was bent at it's support and the steam tap was slightly bent downwards.
The shaped-foam packaging is really soft - so QM should really look at sourcing something better.
Perhaps it's due to mine being a single order and it really should have been on a pallet.
I had the technician fix this cosmetic stuff and check the frame over and I've let my supplier know.

A minor point is that the electrical plug that came with it was a Euro-spec one and it had a lock-on adapter for Australian power points.
Legal - but not optimal.
The cord is also kind of flimsy for 240V/10A - so I had the whole thing swapped out for a beefier Australian cord/plug, which was a matter of minutes to perform.

Lastly - there was huge amounts of condensation/water in the plastic bag around the Vetrano.
We knew to let the unit dry out in the sun before switching it on for the first time - but it's just something to be aware of.

In the box it came with:
2 portafilters - single and double spout, with 2 baskets and a blind filter.
Group head brush
Combined plastic bean scoop/tamper
Mains plumb-in and drain hose kit.

Now - to the engineering bit.
The boilers appear to be 800ml/1400ml for brew/steam. Both are insulated with the black Armaflex foam rather than the foil/wool type.
THERE IS NO BOILER DRAIN SYSTEM AT ALL with my machine - but the access plate/holes for easy element removal is.

The elements measured at 900W brew and 1500W steam.

PID does not prioritise and can pulse/run both elements together.
PID settings were:
P = 1.5
I = 0
D = 1.5
Apparently quite aggressive according to my tech.

Cabling is generally neatish and fit and finish is good.
The transformer for the LED's is present but not connected to anything.
My tech did like the way the sides/back/top are made and connected to the frame - with neat welds and slotted holes.

THERE IS SOME FLEX on the front panel when inserting the portafilters.
It's certainly tight right now and not a 2-finger exercise, but it feels like it's a metal on metal resistance rather than anything to do with the hardness of the gasket.
I'll see if it loosens up as I go along.
We didn't remove the group gasket to measure it.

The pump is quiet - but there is a slight buzz we couldn't lock down.
We did put a little piece of flattened silicon tube where the top frame of the pump meets the front panel of the machine.
The noise/buzz may be a water movement/pulsing noise.
I'll keep an eye (ear?) on it too.

Apart from that - I'm still dialling the unit in at home.
Playing with dose/temp with a coffee I know well to try and hit a god-shot.

Anyway - on with the photos.

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Sorry the machine arrived damaged.. Do you think this has anything to do with the strength of the frame? i know this was an issue with the r58.  Do the stainless panels and drip tray seem tinny at all?? Seems like you have much larger heaters than we will get...
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gz20tt
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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:24pm
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Portafilter:

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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:29pm
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cuznvin Said:

Sorry the machine arrived damaged.. Do you think this has anything to do with the strength of the frame? i know this was an issue with the r58.  Do the stainless panels and drip tray seem tinny at all?? Seems like you have much larger heaters than we will get...

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No - the frame is sturdy and the side panels are well built, finished and attached.
Panels are nice, thick stainless.
Drip tray is really nicely finished as well.

I'm blaming the rubbish foam supports at the base and top that are no way near rigid enough to long transport - even when double boxed.

Yep - big elements.
Need to play with the steaming though to see how the PID is reacting as the tap is opened and how good/fast recovery is.

Oh - I'll add in that it came with a 2-hole, wide angle steam tip which I'll really need to relearn how to use.
My Rancilio has a 3-hole and with a 4l boiler is a steam monster.
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cuznvin
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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 7:32pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

gz20tt Said:

No - the frame is sturdy and the side panels are well built, finished and attached.
Panels are nice, thick stainless.
Drip tray is really nicely finished as well.

I'm blaming the rubbish foam supports at the base and top that are no way near rigid enough to long transport - even when double boxed.

Yep - big elements.
Need to play with the steaming though to see how the PID is reacting as the tap is opened and how good/fast recovery is.

Oh - I'll add in that it came with a 2-hole, wide angle steam tip which I'll really need to relearn how to use.
My Rancilio has a 3-hole and with a 4l boiler is a steam monster.

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Im concerned our unit is 400w less on the steam side, 15a so both heaters can not run at the same time..
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