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ricardo_dacosta
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 6:11pm
Subject: Need help buying a machine. Yes I have read the first post and the Guide also :)
 

Hello there!

Sorry for the following intro, but I feel it will provide you with a better picture of me and my needs

I never made coffee in my life until 2 years ago. Im 35. I did drink some in my home country, Venezuela. Coffee was made with your stove-top so call espresso makers. Drank it here and there but was never too into it. I drank tea and after a trip to India, I fell in love with Chai, real Masala Chai. Couldnt find any in the USA and decided to start making my own, which somehow lead me to start an online Chai Company in 2006....lets move 3 years later....was looking into finding a way to bring our Chai in front of the public and created a bicycle trailer (ChaiCycle) and started selling our Chai at the train stations in our local community of Montclair, NJ.

Although a lot of people liked our Chai, I started getting request to also sell coffee. I did some research, looking for a company with similar interest than mine, small batches, fair trade, etc and decided to go with Jim's Organic Coffee. They set me up with a brewer and a grinder and I got started brewing my first drip coffee pots :)

I started drinking and enjoying their coffee. I started attending the industry shows, CoffeeFest, mainly to connect with other Tea merchants, distributors, etc but at the same time to learn more about coffee. Nowadays Im using a local micro roaster, Java Love Coffee Roasters.

Now Im in the process of setting up a small mobile Chai/Coffee truck. The idea comes from what I have seen in Europe, 3 wheel scooters transformed into espresso shops. However, my experience has taught me, at least in my niche serving commuters in the morning, people are not that interested in espresso. Its early, they are in a hurry to catch their train and they prefer their drip coffee. I have been using a Saeco Giro Plus at one of our train station locations and never get more than 5 request a day.

So the idea is to carry Airpots with our freshly brewed Chai & Coffee, along with a Hario Pourover station for Single Origins and a small Semi Automatic, Single Boiler, Heat Exchanger machine that would allowed me to make at least 20 espresso based drinks a day (Espresso, Cappuccino, Machiato, Flat white) Im also looking into have people hire me to do private parties at their homes/business so in those cases the espresso based drinks may be a bit higher count...maybe.

Are these machines able to do this kind of volume? Im trying to avoid 220V machines because this is a small mobile setup and have to keep the wattage low unless I go with a much bigger generator which I really dont want to. Also want to avoid big and bulky machines that will take over the entire space!

I was first looking into a very simple machine like Gaggia Classic but then realize a machine with Heat Exchanger may be better suited. Am I wrong? I have been reading the reviews on this site for the Bezerra BZ02 as well as the QuickMill Vetrano. Any other suggestions?

As far as the grinder goes, I will be using a Baratza Vario. I do have a commercial Grindmaster grinder that does have an espresso grind, but havent really tested out as I use it primarily for my drip coffee operation.

Will be looking into buying one used, probably off craigslist. Would like to have it connected to a 5 Gallon water bottle with a jet pump so I dont have to deal with constantly refilling the reservoir.

Thank you for any suggestions and sorry for such long post :(
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calblacksmith
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Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 6:49pm
Subject: Re: Need help buying a machine. Yes I have read the first post and the Guide
 

welcome,
For mobil use, you want to go with  a gas powered espresso maker rather thann an electric one. To that, you do not want to use a home machine for commerciall use. It will not hold up and  it will not do a good job for you eveen if you have electric power available. A single group HX is what you are looking for, not to mention that a home machinn will not be certified for commercial use and will not be NSF certified.

Commercial brewers for drip can be had in all cappicities. For a while jYou will be able to get along with a home grinder for your use but you will soon want to change it for commercial grinders for better quality and longer, MUCH longer life.

 
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ricardo_dacosta
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 7:03pm
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Yes it is for mobile use but I don't expect to have a high demand for espresso based drinks as I posted above...am at the train stations and people do prefer their drip fast coffee, grab and go. Its very fast paced. I don't expect more than 10 drinks daily if that much.

Does that changes anything for you?

Thank you
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 6:00am
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ricardo_dacosta Said:

Now Im in the process of setting up a small mobile Chai/Coffee truck. The idea comes from what I have seen in Europe, 3 wheel scooters transformed into espresso shops. However, my experience has taught me, at least in my niche serving commuters in the morning, people are not that interested in espresso. Its early, they are in a hurry to catch their train and they prefer their drip coffee.(

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This is what directed my answer to mobile use. Perhaps to remove the espresso option would be the best choice if you do not want to make the commitment. It is better to do one thing well than to do two things only half way.

It all depends on volume. There are a lot of commercial brewers that brew directly into air pots. They are rated in gallons per hour.

Commercial grinders are going to be need, you will not have a long lived home grinder in a commercial setting not to mention that it will be a pain in the back side to use, they are not designed for commercial use.

I still would not use a home machine in a commercial environment, a single group commercial machine is what you will need. It is kind of like using your 3 wheeled scooter to deliver full sized 4 foot x 8 foot sheets of plywood, yes, it may be possible but the extra work and the abuse on the scooter will quickly cause it to fail not to mention that there are much better tools for the job.

ricardo_dacosta Said:

I have been using a Saeco Giro Plus at one of our train station locations and never get more than 5 request a day.

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That may be due to the low quality drinks you are serving, one drink and it is enough to know not to order that again.

 
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