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CarloM
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Posted Mon Jul 29, 2013, 9:55pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I believe the "spec" he referred to was the PID settings. Which would be different per CCS's spec for the US given that we have different voltages and the boilers will behave differently than they would in the international version. Dave didn't indicate he spec'd the portafilters. In his post he says "because the machine came with the US portafilter set and not the ones I wanted for the UK machines."

He clarified that by saying that he asked QM to keep the UK versions rather than the US. He has "no idea" why QM decided to have 2 different types of PFs. Given how he's not their employee (as none of us are), that's not too surprising. QM may have functional or simply aesthetic reasons for going with different PFs.
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 3:33am
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cuznvin Said:

You said you requested portafilters to your specs.. So what do you mean you have no idea? What exactly did you specify??

Posted July 29, 2013 link

What I mean is, I have no Idea why there are two different types of portafilters used for different countries....and I didn't see the post above when I typed this, so "what he said above" lol

It's like the lights...we don't get em, the US does....I had no idea it could come with lights, until I saw the CC machine.....
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 4:29am
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DavecUK Said:

What I mean is, I have no Idea why there are two different types of portafilters used for different countries....

Posted July 30, 2013 link

That is indeed interesting why they have two types (although probably not critical). How do they differ? Handle? Material? If you could post an image, that would be great.
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 5:17am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Hello DavecUK.

How did you find the espresso shot quality, specifically the shot thickness, richness of the V2B compared to other machine's ?

I find some machines with the same coffee pulled by the same mano produce thinner, lighter color shots and some machine brands will produce a more richer, syrupy and darker shots.  

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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 7:41am
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CSME9 Said:

Hello DavecUK.

How did you find the espresso shot quality, specifically the shot thickness, richness of the V2B compared to other machine's ?

I find some machines with the same coffee pulled by the same mano produce thinner, lighter color shots and some machine brands will produce a more richer, syrupy and darker shots.  

WS

Posted July 30, 2013 link

The shots are pretty much the same as a Duetto, Brewtus, Dalla Corte Mini and slightly better than Vivaldi, Mini Vivalidi, Rocket R58....but with one (for me) very important difference which will be in the review and is one of the Key reasons I changed machine..
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 7:55am
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CarloM Said:

I believe the "spec" he referred to was the PID settings. Which would be different per CCS's spec for the US given that we have different voltages and the boilers will behave differently than they would in the international version. Dave didn't indicate he spec'd the portafilters. In his post he says "because the machine came with the US portafilter set and not the ones I wanted for the UK machines."

He clarified that by saying that he asked QM to keep the UK versions rather than the US. He has "no idea" why QM decided to have 2 different types of PFs. Given how he's not their employee (as none of us are), that's not too surprising. QM may have functional or simply aesthetic reasons for going with different PFs.

Posted July 29, 2013 link

No Carlo.. That isnt the spec he referred to.. This is what he said "A few phone calls needed to be made to ensure the portafilters were to the spec I wanted"
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 8:56am
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See his post right under mine at the top of this page...
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:03am
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DavecUK Said:

The shots are pretty much the same as a Duetto, Brewtus, Dalla Corte Mini and slightly better than Vivaldi, Mini Vivalidi, Rocket R58....but with one (for me) very important difference which will be in the review and is one of the Key reasons I changed machine..

Posted July 30, 2013 link

So if your review is never published by the company we may never know what this very important difference is and one of the Key reasons you changed machine ?
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:11am
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CSME9 Said:

So if your review is never published by the company we may never know what this very important difference is and one of the Key reasons you changed machine ?

Posted July 30, 2013 link

Thank you!! Exactly what I was trying to say all along! What good is a review though if the machine is 220v, has different portafilters, possible different PID and the "very important  difference" .... So if the US machine doesnt have this "very important  difference" then what does that mean for us??
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Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:59am
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cuznvin Said:

Thank you!! Exactly what I was trying to say all along! What good is a review though if the machine is 220v, has different portafilters, possible different PID and the "very important  difference" .... So if the US machine doesnt have this "very important  difference" then what does that mean for us??

Posted July 30, 2013 link

The US (North American) machine has the same PID and it has the same important difference. The UK company I am sure will publish...when I've finished it. I have to photograph the machine inside and outside all over again, plus check everything I asked for has been done. The Italian company already phoned me earlier to check how everything was going and I want to make sure everything I say in the review is absolutely right. Covering differences of the UK vs US machines, you guys will have to do from reading my UK machine review and comparing it to the information from the US reseller. All I can say is in all the very important things, there's no significant differences between the UK and US machines.

In fact I like your 4 hole tips and have asked for both 2 and 4 hole to be supplied with the UK machines and am still waiting for my 4 hole tip....then I can see how it performs.

I'm now hoping this machines sets a standard (a high one), for Dual Boiler systems and that QM are so successful with it, that they then move to producing something a little more revolutionary for the prosumer market in a few years time. This is because I have a lot of ideas and would like to work with a company that has is adventurous enough to incorporate some very new (to espresso machines) idea. QM actually have a lot of the background experience and tools to do this, although they probably don't realise it yet.  My experience with some of their very early machines and other machines in their range, show some of the base technologies I would like to see in a real 21st century machine. All this basic basic dual boiler stuff, is all Alphabet Blocks, not difficult to get right (some companies do seem to struggle though), not particularly challenging and not really revolutionary. I would really like to be part of a more interesting top level design challenge.

Once the QM Verona DB (It's Verona in the UK), review (and other documentation) is completed. I can actually start my 1kg roaster project with the new Gene Cafe 1kg Roaster, something I am a lot more excited about.

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