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Angman
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 2:17pm
Subject: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

So of course the coffeegeek in me wants to or is always wondering if I need to upgrade...

Currently I use a Vibiemme Domobar Super that I bought new paired with a Mazzer Major and Voodoodaddy Pharos.  My shots are good but not great.  I understand that its most likely my own fault but I always wonder if I can cheat by getting something different/better...

I also have an Elektra lever that I haven't mastered or had time to master yet.  My preferences unfortunately are milk based drinks for now and I only make 1 a day for myself and an occasional 2 for family.  Of course when parties are had I can pound them out nonstop with the plumbed in Vibiemme and Major.  One day I will try to acquire straight espresso taste and put the Elektra to good use.  Now I just want to concentrate on mainly Lattes.  The Vibiemme has been superior in steaming as well as pulling decent shots. However, because I don't have the super domo double boiler I always wonder....

Currently considering:

Used La Cimbali M21 used in a commercial setting until shop shut down
Well used La Cimbali junior (older one with no digital buttons) but refurbished
Used Nuova Simonelli Appia in a very light commercial setting and only 2 years old with total 9 months usage
Perhaps a Rancillio Epoca 1 group that looks to be in very good shape and used in a residential setting
A La spazialle Vivaldi if I ever find one because its a dual boiler

Space and plumbing in is not an issue.  So in short I make maybe 1 or 2 drinks a day as the norm.  I want that drink to be the best that it can be.  I can leave the machine on all day but lately have just been turning on my Vibiemme for an hour before I make my first cup and if I expect company I turn it on in advance. I'm not sure about electrical costs between any of the machines but I would like to reduce my carbon  footprint if possible but not at the expense of my coffee. I know all the machines can be left on 24/7 including the Vibiemme but can the machines perform if only warmed up for an hour?  I have an Erkis Thermometer to monitor my temps but my temps still move around from shot to shot. The grouphead on the Vibiemme E61 is as big as it gets as it is.  So my question is will the other machines perform any better for my purposes? Cost for the La Cimbalis and Appia are similar while the Epoca is much higher.  Also no La Spaziales on the horizon yet and I do not want to pay retail. As for improving my skillset I am already enrolled in a 3 hour course in Seattle coming up on dialing in my espresso shots.
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tglodjo
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

From what I know, it seems to me that all of those machines won't necessarily "up" your quality as much as they will your workload. Your Vibiemme is a HX, right? You'll have to decide if a DB will provide what you're looking for, and there are plenty of forums on here debating the pros and cons of HX and DB. For me, I'm partial to DB and absolutely love my Vivaldi. The Cimbalis, Appia, and Epocha just seem to be most best for the commercial environment. I'm not sure they'll add much more to your quality. From what you have, it seems that it's just practice that is needed. All of your equipment is capable of creating top-notch shots. If there's anything that will up your quality, it would be upgrading the Major...
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

The only real place to go after the Major is the Robour or something similar.  

In terms of Espresso Machiens you could get a GS3.  I had both the Robour and the GS3.  They make quite the team to say the least.  

I sold both due to upcomming move.

Good luck,

Rob
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 4:58pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

I guess the sad truth is in the barista. I just wanted an excuse to buy yet another machine. I'm always up for new grinders as well but what would you say would yield a considerably better cup? I already have a Major and a Pharos. Isnt that the best of the flat burrs as well as a conical?  I can't imagine there being any significant improvements outside of ease of use (company k10 fresh/PB or perhaps a super caimano for the better doser? Not that I don't like hoarding grinders but those are some pricey alternatives to what I already own. I guess an HG One would be nice to add to the collection. I have already owned a Vario, Fiorenzato, Rancillio MD80 and some others as well.
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

Rob I would love a GS3 as well (who wouldn't) but the high cost is a reality and not realistic. The other machines i am considering only because there are some available at a second hand discount and they are true commercial machines as compared to my prosumer but very well built machine. I would say the vibiemme is as nice it not nicer than the Rockets out there.

I would consider the Robur as I can find a reasonably priced used one but will it be that much better than the Pharos?  I don't mind hand cranking and saving $1k if it yields a similar quality. As I mentioned I don't make quantity but just want quality. I use the Pharos for my daily drink and the Major when I need to make quantity.
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 5:07pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

Is your Vibiemme Domobar Super have a PID?

Having a PID mignt give you more shot consistancy.  When I went form a Giotto P and Mazzer Mini to the GS3 Robour combo I noticed a big difference in taste.  However, because I upgraded the grinder and the espresso machiene at the same time it's difficult to determine which device had a more important role in moving the taste up.  

Hope that helps?
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 5:09pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

I would say look for a DB unit with a PID.
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ECM
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

I don't know anything about the Pharas.  Hopefully there are others that can weigh in on this.  

Is the Pharas a conical?  Not that a conical is better, it's just a different profile taste in the cup.  It really brings out the highs.
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Roaster: Hottop 8828P
Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:01am
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

I regret not getting the DB PID Vibiemme now when I had the chance as I was buying new....

As for the Pharos its a 71mm conical.  Its as close as I can get to a Robur or Compak K10 without having to spend another $1K+.  With the Major and Pharos I already have the two larger types of flat and conical burr sets. Other than the La spaziale are there other commercial on group DB's to consider?  I see some real well educated people on here that use the La Cimbali Jr and thats not a DB....
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Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:44am
Subject: Re: Upgraditis Dilemna
 

HX makes a good shot also.  Mostly, IMHO, it is knowing your machine and how to get the best out of it.  I personally think you can screw up drinks on both types of machines.

 
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