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Posted Wed Dec 6, 2006, 10:49pm
Subject: Dal Tio Luna: any info?
 

I just got a pod version of the Dal Tio Luna (http://www.daltio.com/prod_luna.htm).  Was curious how a CMA company would make a home machine.  Now that I've had a good look, does anyone know where to get a parts diagram and perhaps the name of a supplier as the machine is missing plastic bits and a portafilter.

For those that are curious, the specs are

  brass boiler, smaller than a Silvia boiler
  3 button thermostats mounted on top of boiler
  looks like a IMAT group head but it has an o-ring instead of a gasket (specific to the pod version?)
  small showerscreen (obviously for pods) with no shower screen holder
  4 horizontal water jets above the shower screen (good water distribution?)
  pea valve (nicer than gaggia's) instead of a 3-way valve
  buttons for 1/2/3 shots controlled by a flowmeter!
  a "M" button that is a mystery to me.
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Posted Fri Dec 8, 2006, 9:07pm
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Update: found the parts diagram for the LeLit machine on their web site. (Hint: read Italian)  I'm 95% sure that the pod version of the Dal-Tio Luna uses the pod version of the IMAT group (like the LeLit PL040) and it follows that the ground version uses the regular IMAT group/boiler like many other machines.  Oh well, except for the flow meter and associated electronics, a pretty box with nothing exciting inside.

BTW the IMAT machines may be more pid friendly than the more expensive machines.  A small group forming the bottom of the boiler reacts to the boiler-water temperature faster than an offset head (Rancilio Silvia) or machines with heavier heads (Silvia, Gaggia, E61s).  Since the pid is controlling the water temperature, you should get more thermal stability when the group is more responsive the the boiler temperature.  (Of course other factors are important such as boiler size and cold water inflow.)  

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Posted Sat Dec 9, 2006, 6:50am
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coffee_no_sugar Said:

...the IMAT machines may be more pid friendly than the more expensive machines.  A small group forming the bottom of the boiler reacts to the boiler-water temperature faster than an offset head (Rancilio Silvia) or machines with heavier heads (Silvia, Gaggia, E61s).  Since the pid is controlling the water temperature, you should get more thermal stability when the group is more responsive the the boiler temperature.

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I have a Le'Lit PL041, bought used for half-price on eBay from a very friendly coffeegeek. I looked for one because it was lighter, smaller, and less finicky than a Silvia (I also drive a used Saab rather than a new BMW). The Le'Lit heats up quickly and is ready to pull a shot in five minutes, largely because of the factors you mentioned---bottom of boiler group position, lighter internals and head than the commercial components on the Silvia, yet the same 10 oz. boiler.

Given that PIDing Silvias is all the rage now, I've been curious about how much the Le'Lit might benefit from a PID. I haven't done any water temperature testing, but after 2-3 doubles per day for five months, this little machine is surprisingly stable. The thermostat/boiler combo seems very quick and responsive. Results in the cup are so consistent that I've given up temp surfing altogether and pay no attention to boiler cycling. I might be wrong about that, but it sure makes pulling shots simple.

For me, the Le'Lit makes very tasty espresso with lovely guiness effects, ample crema, and no sour shots ever. As for mouthfeel and intensity of flavors, I don't have an e61 or HX machine around to compare, but I'll put up my home brewed espresso against any coffee house cups I've ever sampled.

I don't know about using pre-ground pods, but my experience may be testimony to the prevailing wisdom that even lower-end machines (I'm thinking Le'Lit, Solis SL, Gaggia Carezza, etc.) can produce good espresso with fresh, home-roasted, high-quality beans, an adequate grinder, and a little practice at barista skills.

I may eventually pop for a PID kit just for fun, but for now I'm quite happy.

By the way, the group and wand on the Dal-Tio Luna do indeed look identical to my Le'Lit. Probably the same IMAT guts.

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Posted Sat Dec 9, 2006, 10:22pm
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billherbst Said:

I have a Le'Lit PL041, bought used for half-price on eBay from a very friendly coffeegeek. I looked for one because it was lighter, smaller, and less finicky than a Silvia (I also drive a used Saab rather than a new BMW). The Le'Lit heats up quickly and is ready to pull a shot in five minutes, largely because of the factors you mentioned---bottom of boiler group position, lighter internals and head than the commercial components on the Silvia, yet the same 10 oz. boiler.

Given that PIDing Silvias is all the rage now, I've been curious about how much the Le'Lit might benefit from a PID. I haven't done any water temperature testing, but after 2-3 doubles per day for five months, this little machine is surprisingly stable. The thermostat/boiler combo seems very quick and responsive. Results in the cup are so consistent that I've given up temp surfing altogether and pay no attention to boiler cycling. I might be wrong about that, but it sure makes pulling shots simple.

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I've never pulled a shot from a Le'Lit/IMAT/Nemox/Quaha/Mokia machine nor have I seen any temperature testing.  However, Alan Frew thinks they produce good shots so a PID may be a geeky option.  

My current machine has a pretty good thermostat and a nice sized group (> Gaggia).  I've noticed that a shot after 5 minutes of warm up and heating flush is great and at 30 minutes the shot is too hot.  I could lower the thermostat but I would rather get a good shot at 5 minutes than wait 30 minutes.  Anyways that observation suggests that a small group would work well with a PID.

billherbst Said:

For me, the Le'Lit makes very tasty espresso with lovely guiness effects, ample crema, and no sour shots ever. As for mouthfeel and intensity of flavors, I don't have an e61 or HX machine around to compare, but I'll put up my home brewed espresso against any coffee house cups I've ever sampled.  

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The Le'Lit is a good machine.  My only reason to say the Dal Tio was not interesting is that the IMAT group has been around since the 80s and has been used by several companies.  I was hoping that Dal Tio had done something new given its connections with CMA.  The brewing system was not new but I was suprised by the flowmeter and associated eletronics.  Usually don't see such things on a home machine.

billherbst Said:

I don't know about using pre-ground pods, but my experience may be testimony to the prevailing wisdom that even lower-end machines (I'm thinking Le'Lit, Solis SL, Gaggia Carezza, etc.) can produce good espresso with fresh, home-roasted, high-quality beans, an adequate grinder, and a little practice at barista skills.

Posted December 9, 2006 link

Actually never tried a pod and don't plan on it.  The only reason I bought this pod machine was that it was $25 plus shipping.  Curious about Dal Tio and had some Frankenstein plans which probably won't work.

billherbst Said:

I may eventually pop for a PID kit just for fun, but for now I'm quite happy.

By the way, the group and wand on the Dal-Tio Luna do indeed look identical to my Le'Lit. Probably the same IMAT guts.

--Bill

Posted December 9, 2006 link

Yes, probably the same IMAT guts but pod vs ground coffee.  Beginning to think that converting the machine to ground coffee will require a new lower half of the boiler.

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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 4:31pm
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Hi, I've got a pod version of Daltio Luna and wondering if it could be converted to the regular.
The portafilter of the machine has an aluminum insert retained with a spring  instead of a basket. It seems to be 58 mm portafilter.
Could it be replaced with a 58 mm basket?

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Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 4:13pm
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To me it seems like this machine is similar to the CMA Luna. I just got this machine used from eBay. And yes, there is a conversion kit:

Click Here (www.ies-shop.de)

I bet the service of this shop can tell if this works for your machine.

Greetings from Germany
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