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SylvainMtl
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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 4:41pm
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cuznvin Said:

The r58 is $550 more! I like the boiler lights.

Posted July 21, 2013 link

Actually not to me!  I'm in Canada, I've found the R58 at 2600$ CAD.   The 2B will come about that or a bit more with shipping, CAD taxes,  xchange rate ...

I'd say though the Vetrano with the joysticks look pretty good.
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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 4:54pm
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SylvainMtl Said:

Actually not to me!  I'm in Canada, I've found the R58 at 2600$ CAD.   The 2B will come about that or a bit more with shipping, CAD taxes,  xchange rate ...

I'd say though the Vetrano with the joysticks look pretty good.

Posted July 21, 2013 link

Maybe you should buy the R58 then.. There was no mention of putting joysticks on the vetrano DB.. They do offer it on the HX. NoT sure if CCS is offering to change them out.
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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 4:59pm
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cuznvin Said:

Maybe you should buy the R58 then.. There was no mention of putting joysticks on the vetrano DB.. They do offer it on the HX. NoT sure if CCS is offering to change them out.

Posted July 21, 2013 link

If it was 20 amp, maybe.  I have too many doubts about its performance, and I don't like rotary knobs (except on the Faema Legend :))
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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 5:21pm
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According to CCS.. As long as the lever knobs fit, they will be an upgrade option...
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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 8:21pm
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SylvainMtl Said:

DaveUK, can you confirm the type of safety valve and vacuum breaker used on the Vetrano, are they similar to the the cheaper vacuum breaker like the one in the QM Anita, which I owned for a short time, and which would fail quite often ?

I also do not like all plastic tubing in the Vetrano and the wiring which is looking a bit messy with (zip ties) from the pictures we've seen, but I wasn't expecting such nice workmanship from the R58 just looking at the pictures either, so who knows!!

Posted July 21, 2013 link

  1. You need to link to an image of the vacuum breaker and safety valve you are referring to....then I can let you know.

  2. The wiring is like that because of all the bits and bobs wired up to the rear water carrier plate. Quality is OK, but yes, It could be neater with a bit of a redesign of the switch placement for tanked to plumbed. As for plastic tubing, I'm not sure exactly what you mean.....all "plastic tubing" There is not really any extra compared to other machines, including the R58, it's just not so well hidden inside a bit of metal braid. You are looking at pictures of machines and making value judgements without the required knowledge/data. This is fairly dangerous, I have looked inside both machines (Rocket and Vetrano) and yes, the Rocket is well put together, BUT it's about the design, operation and function of all the components that determines how good the machine is. In fact the tubing in the rocket would be far easier to deal with in respect of maintenance/leaks than you realise!
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Posted Sun Jul 21, 2013, 8:50pm
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DavecUK Said:

You need to link to an image of the vacuum breaker and safety valve you are referring to....then I can let you know.

The wiring is like that because of all the bits and bobs wired up to the rear water carrier plate. Quality is OK, but yes, It could be neater with a bit of a redesign of the switch placement for tanked to plumbed. As for plastic tubing, I'm not sure exactly what you mean.....all "plastic tubing" There is not really any extra compared to other machines, including the R58, it's just not so well hidden inside a bit of metal braid. You are looking at pictures of machines and making value judgements without the required knowledge/data. This is fairly dangerous, I have looked inside both machines (Rocket and Vetrano) and yes, the Rocket is well put together, BUT it's about the design, operation and function of all the components that determines how good the machine is. In fact the tubing in the rocket would be far easier to deal with in respect of maintenance/leaks than you realise!

Posted July 21, 2013 link

First, I want to thank you for all the insights your are providing.  I've been considering the move to a double boiler for a long time and am on the verge of getting the 2B.  I just need to make sure, that I won't regret.

This is the vacuum breaker valve (first on the left) I was referring, the flat one I had before in another machine would fail every now and then.  

Between the two boilers in the pictures of the Vetrano 2B, is that an OPV (picture on the bottom) like the one in the QM Anita?  It does look like it, if it is, this thing would make noises every few months and need readjusting.  Hopefully it is not.

I'm glad to hear there's not more plastic tubing in the 2B than the other machines.  But regarding my knowledge, I've rebuilt a few machines myself like the one in the picture, but I'd like one fresh from factory for a change!

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Posted Mon Jul 22, 2013, 4:16am
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SylvainMtl Said:

First, I want to thank you for all the insights your are providing.  I've been considering the move to a double boiler for a long time and am on the verge of getting the 2B.  I just need to make sure, that I won't regret.

This is the vacuum breaker valve (first on the left) I was referring, the flat one I had before in another machine would fail every now and then.  

Between the two boilers in the pictures of the Vetrano 2B, is that an OPV (picture on the bottom) like the one in the QM Anita?  It does look like it, if it is, this thing would make noises every few months and need readjusting.  Hopefully it is not.

I'm glad to hear there's not more plastic tubing in the 2B than the other machines.  But regarding my knowledge, I've rebuilt a few machines myself like the one in the picture, but I'd like one fresh from factory for a change!

Posted July 21, 2013 link

  1. The Vacuum breaker and Safety valve are not the same. they are actually a combined unit made by MA-TER. I like it very much.

  2. It is an Expansion Valve (OPV), without this there would be huge problems. It is there to cater for the expansion of water during heating (where tremendous pressures can build up). It is NOT there for brew pressure regulation, as it is used for on Vibe pump machines. It will not make a noise it should not give you any problems and all rotary pumped machines have one and usually one exactly like the one in the picture. Rotary pumps regulate brew pressure directly via a in built balanced bypass. You are worrying about absolutely nothing.
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Posted Mon Jul 22, 2013, 5:29am
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SylvainMtl Said:

This is the vacuum breaker valve (first on the left) I was referring, the flat one I had before in another machine would fail every now and then.

Posted July 21, 2013 link

The vacuum breaker on the CC machine is not similar to the one on the left however it has a brass barb with silicone tube connected to it so that i will drain into the drip tray and not sputter droplets inside the machine which could harm the electronics.  

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Posted Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:03am
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CSME9 Said:

The vacuum breaker on the CC machine is similar to the one on the left however it has a brass barb with silicone tube connected to it so that i will drain into the drip tray and not sputter droplets inside the machine which could harm the electronics. The breaker can be taken apart and seal replaced for a few dollars.

WS

Posted July 22, 2013 link

If you are talkking about the vetrano DB, No it is not...it is as described in my previous post.
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Posted Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:15am
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DavecUK Said:

If you are talkking about the vetrano DB, No it is not...it is as described in my previous post.

Posted July 22, 2013 link

Dave..how would you rate the construction of the machine compared to other manufacturers... stainless thickness, drip tray construction, frame quality...
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