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emradguy
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Posted Fri Jul 19, 2013, 6:33am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

Check the power recommendations carefully on the Electra. Some machines (like mine for instance) are best run with their own dedicated 20amp outlet (ie, a single Romex line goes to that single outlet). I don't have that, so I have to operate it in 15amp mode.  The difference is that the machine is intermittently supplying power to the steam and group boilers. It's not really noticeable (so I'm told), but is prefer it to be on a dedicated (not shared anywhere) 20amp outlet anyways. Again, maybe it won't matter with the Electra, maybe you'll end up with a different machine some day, maybe you'll sell the house some day?

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Posted Fri Jul 19, 2013, 8:37am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

ThomasK Said:

The build out - which is still finished only to the subfloor level - already has a dedicated 110 circuit to the wet bar.  I can always pull a few more wires to the area, the panel is being built out now, good timing, still plenty of room in the panel.

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Even if 20AMP is not required now I can't imaging not pulling the heavier wire if it is an option your sure to get less resistance and heat in any event. If the pathway is open i believe I would pull 30AMP 220 to the bar just in case. It is so much cheaper to do it now and you never know what toys you may wind up with the future that require 220.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 19, 2013, 9:15am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

emradguy Said:

Check the power recommendations carefully on the Electra. Some machines (like mine for instance) are best run with their own dedicated 20amp outlet (ie, a single Romex line goes to that single outlet). I don't have that, so I have to operate it in 15amp mode.  The difference is that the machine is intermittently supplying power to the steam and group boilers. It's not really noticeable (so I'm told), but is prefer it to be on a dedicated (not shared anywhere) 20amp outlet anyways. Again, maybe it won't matter with the Electra, maybe you'll end up with a different machine some day, maybe you'll sell the house some day?

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Older house, staged renovations and upgrades - just added on a large kitchen (happy wife factor again).

100A subpanel for the new area - no prob with running an extra direct lines - I'm already running dedicated lines to all larger appliance-serving boxes in the kitchen.

Next is designing the countertop for this - what's the best height for an Elektra?  Regular countertop height - or better if commercial or bar height?
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Posted Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:15am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

It sounds like you are leaning in the direction of the T1,

That machine has a lot of features, some you may use, others perhaps not but regardless it is all that and more of a machine. It is designed for commercial use and has a 6l boiler, that is huge.

As to counter height, my machine is on a standard kitchen height counter. It is comfortable to use for me and I am 5'10. My mother is a few inches shorter and she can use the machine but it is about as tall as it can be for her, for steaming milk to see into the pitcher. As a side note, I put 6" legs under my machine and removed the 2" legs. I did this to gain height for the drain line as it needs to run horizontal a few feet in my installation and the line needs a good drop to prevent clogging.

I do not have the T1 but my machine is about the same size and quality.

I think you will find that you both will enjoy using the machine, back to my mother, I gave her a once through on making a latte, then I had her do it. Then I left for a vacation for a week and she was able to make drinks for herself while I was gone.

I have an auto dosing grinder and with the volumetric water dosing on the machine, that was all the lessons she need to make espresso. Now to tweak and eek out the best shots, she needs more instruction on how to adjust the grinder and how to get great microfoam and what each adjustment does and how to adjust things but after I set it up, it was an easy process for her.

At First line, they have a generic set of instructions on installation of a machine. Give it a look and see if you may have forgot anything. OH, do remember that more likely than not, you will need to treat your water, unless your water is perfect, it will need filtering and most likely softening. To see the instructions on installation, Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

Please check around and call the sellers of the machines. I have only mentioned 1st line, we have other vendors who are also great people to deal with. They all deserve a shot at your business. Check out our advertisers, any of them will do you right, http://coffeegeek.com/resources/advertisers

 
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ThomasK
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Posted Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:28am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

calblacksmith Said:

It sounds like you are leaning in the direction of the T1,

That machine has a lot of features, some you may use, others perhaps not but regardless it is all that and more of a machine. It is designed for commercial use and has a 6l boiler, that is huge.

As to counter height, my machine is on a standard kitchen height counter. It is comfortable to use for me and I am 5'10. My mother is a few inches shorter and she can use the machine but it is about as tall as it can be for her, for steaming milk to see into the pitcher. As a side note, I put 6" legs under my machine and removed the 2" legs. I did this to gain height for the drain line as it needs to run horizontal a few feet in my installation and the line needs a good drop to prevent clogging.

I do not have the T1 but my machine is about the same size and quality.

I think you will find that you both will enjoy using the machine, back to my mother, I gave her a once through on making a latte, then I had her do it. Then I left for a vacation for a week and she was able to make drinks for herself while I was gone.

I have an auto dosing grinder and with the volumetric water dosing on the machine, that was all the lessons she need to make espresso. Now to tweak and eek out the best shots, she needs more instruction on how to adjust the grinder and how to get great microfoam and what each adjustment does and how to adjust things but after I set it up, it was an easy process for her.

At First line, they have a generic set of instructions on installation of a machine. Give it a look and see if you may have forgot anything. OH, do remember that more likely than not, you will need to treat your water, unless your water is perfect, it will need filtering and most likely softening. To see the instructions on installation, Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

Please check around and call the sellers of the machines. I have only mentioned 1st line, we have other vendors who are also great people to deal with. They all deserve a shot at your business. Check out our advertisers, any of them will do you right, http://coffeegeek.com/resources/advertisers

Posted July 19, 2013 link

Good points - good to hear it's that user-friendly.

I'm an engineer - designing the build-out and infrastructure myself - and the whole house has a three-stage water treatment system - even though it's on utility water.  We're at the end of the distribution line - any repair work results in crud getting in the pipes.  Filters catch that. PEX plumbing in the house - so should be clean as it gets.  The next step would be feeding it with RO water - but that might be bad for the flavor - too pure?

Sounds like keeping the standard legs will work - I have a drain close to where the unit will be.
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Posted Fri Jul 19, 2013, 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

pump triggers require a solute gradient, so RO water will not work unless you put on a second filter that re-introduces some mineral content.  Optimum water has a small amount of solute and ion gradient. The vendors many of us here frequently do business with sell them, so check 'em out.  There's a great article on water that would be worth perusing... Jim Schulman's Insanely Long Water FAQ  Type that into Google and it'll come up as one of the first couple of hits.

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calblacksmith
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Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
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Posted Sat Jul 20, 2013, 8:32am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

Thanks Ron, great addition, I can't add anything to it!

 
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ThomasK
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Posted Mon Jul 22, 2013, 9:03am
Subject: Re: Machine in the $2K to $3K range
 

emradguy Said:

pump triggers require a solute gradient, so RO water will not work unless you put on a second filter that re-introduces some mineral content.  Optimum water has a small amount of solute and ion gradient. The vendors many of us here frequently do business with sell them, so check 'em out.  There's a great article on water that would be worth perusing... Jim Schulman's Insanely Long Water FAQ  Type that into Google and it'll come up as one of the first couple of hits.

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Posted July 19, 2013 link

Is this really a PUMP problem?  I assumed that too pure a water source (like RO) would ruin the coffee taste - a little salt always boosts flavor!  Historically at least, in some countries cofffe drinkers actually add a tad of salt to their cup of joe much like people add sweeteners here in the US.

Anyway, a good article on the right water quality required to not get scaling as well as to get great tasting coffee - thanks!
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