Our Valued Sponsor
OpinionsConsumer ReviewsGuides and How TosCoffeeGeek ReviewsResourcesForums
Espresso: Espresso Machines
Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
Italian Biscotti Cookies
Premium artisan quality Italian Biscotti cookies. Many flavors!
www.espressozone.com
 
Not Logged in: Log In to Postlog in
New Topics updated topics   New Posts new posts   Unanswered Posts new unanswered  
Search Discussion Board search   Discussion Board FAQ faq   Signup sign up  
Discussions > Espresso > Machines > Can I run an...  
view previous topic | view next topic | view all topics
showing page 1 of 3 last page next page
Author Messages
dggopal
Senior Member


Joined: 1 Jul 2013
Posts: 24
Location: el monte
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: Nuova Simonelli Oscar
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 7:30pm
Subject: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

Exactly as the tittle of the post says, I am wondering if there is a way I can run the astra without plumbing it?  I was reading that there is an optional water tank for the gourmet.  Can this be added to the plumbed version?  Tried calling astra to find out but never got through to them due to the long weekend so thought I'd post the question here.
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
sweaner
Senior Member
sweaner
Joined: 16 Nov 2007
Posts: 1,110
Location: Yardley, PA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Vetrano, Arrarex Caravel, La...
Grinder: Mazzer SJ, OE Pharos
Drip: Bunn Trifecta MB
Roaster: Poppery II
Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

I run my Quick Mill Vetrano without plumbing, just using a bottle sitting next to the machine. The pump easily pulls the water without a FloJet. I suspect that your machine could do likewise.

 
-Scott
“Coffee - the favorite drink of the civilized world.”
Thomas Jefferson
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
dggopal
Senior Member


Joined: 1 Jul 2013
Posts: 24
Location: el monte
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: Nuova Simonelli Oscar
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:38am
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

I see.  That sounds doable.  So do you just have piping from the top of the bottle into the inlet?  I wonder if I could trouble you for a picture of your setup?
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
cafeparts
Senior Member
cafeparts
Joined: 1 Jan 2014
Posts: 2
Location: Englewood
Expertise: Professional

Espresso: Cimbali Junior
Grinder: Fiorenzato T80
Posted Tue Jan 7, 2014, 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

The Astra Gourmet has a Rotary pump, and this pump requires a line pressure to operate properly.
My suggestion is to run a water line to the machine.
back to top
 View Profile Visit website Link to this post
uscfroadie
Senior Member
uscfroadie
Joined: 2 Aug 2008
Posts: 382
Location: San Antonio
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Olympia Cremina, Breville...
Grinder: HG One (71mm), Forte, Zass...
Vac Pot: Nope
Drip: Nope
Roaster: Behmor
Posted Tue Jan 7, 2014, 7:12pm
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

Exactly what Scott (Sweaner) said.  Run your supply line (probably steel braided) into your water jug of high quality water.  The rotary pump will pull from it without any issue, though you may need to adjust the pump to turn up the brew pressure since you will not have line pressure.  As for *needing* to have line pressure, not true.  Case in point - how do you think the La Marzocco GS/3, Alex Duetto, Vibiemme DD, Rocket, etc. run their rotary pump machines off a reservoir?  No line pressure there...it's pulling from the reservoir, just as it would from a bottle.
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
takeshi
Senior Member
takeshi
Joined: 12 Oct 2002
Posts: 937
Location: Houston
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Super Jolly
Roaster: Amaya Roasting
Posted Thu Jan 9, 2014, 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

cafeparts Said:

The Astra Gourmet has a Rotary pump, and this pump requires a line pressure to operate properly.

Posted January 7, 2014 link

Flojet would work if that's necessary.
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
ryguy
Senior Member


Joined: 2 Aug 2009
Posts: 288
Location: Indiana
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Bezzera BZ02S
Grinder: Pharos, B. Vario
Posted Thu Jan 9, 2014, 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

I believe the Astra Gourmet machines use a series 1 Procon pump. According to Procon's spec, the pump can lift up to 6 feet, so you shouldn't need a flojet.

 
Ryan D
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
greymalkin
Senior Member


Joined: 9 Jan 2014
Posts: 19
Location: Silicon Valley
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Quick Mill Vetrano (2006)
Grinder: Mazzer Mini
Drip: Bonavita BV1800
Posted Fri Jan 24, 2014, 9:20am
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

uscfroadie Said:

Run your supply line (probably steel braided) into your water jug of high quality water.  The rotary pump will pull from it without any issue

Posted January 7, 2014 link

I gave this a shot. I have a Vetrano that used to be plumbed in, until I moved into a new apartment where that's not an option. The supply line is running into a jug of water, but it's not pulling the water in. I'd like to avoid the Flojet if possible. Is there something else I need to do? Do I have to figure out a way to set it up so gravity will push the water?
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
Bogiesan
Senior Member


Joined: 1 Jan 2002
Posts: 43
Location: boise Idaho, usa
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Salvatore Famosa c.2000
Grinder: Rancilio M40
Posted Fri Jan 24, 2014, 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

Pumps are often rated by their lift but, depending on the design of the pump (which is much more complicated than the shape of the vanes), even pumps with huge lifts may not be capable of developing negative pressure (vacuum) at the inlet and may require some pressure, known as hydraulic head. Raising the water supply reservoir above the pump inlet or pressurizing the reservoir will both provide some head. Googling hydraulic head is unsatisfying but if you have some physics in your background you might be able to calculate how high off your countertop you must place your water tank to replace mains pressure.

 
I play go. I use Macintosh,. Of course I ride a recumbent.
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
ilcaffedio
Senior Member


Joined: 31 Jan 2006
Posts: 453
Location: Atlanta, GA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Astra G.A.
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: Chemex
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Sat Jan 25, 2014, 9:44am
Subject: Re: Can I run an astra gourmet (plumbed version) withough plumbing it?
 

Use a flo-jet at minimum.  My Astra is plumbed, with a pressure regulator (from Chris' Coffee) set to 20 PSI.
There are two different versions of this machine, the plumbed version, and the tank version.  There is no free space to add a tank to the plumbed model, and I'm assuming the tank model uses a vibratory pump as do most other machines with a tank.

I'm not certain on this, but I believe that without line pressure you will lose pre-infusion capability.
Is there a reason that you don't want to plumb it in?
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
showing page 1 of 3 last page next page
view previous topic | view next topic | view all topics
Discussions > Espresso > Machines > Can I run an...  
New Topics updated topics   New Posts new posts   Unanswered Posts new unanswered     Search Discussion Board search   Discussion Board FAQ faq   Signup sign up  
Not Logged in: Log In to Postlog in
Discussions Quick Jump:
Symbols: New Posts= New Posts since your last visit      No New Posts= No New Posts since last visit     Go to most recent post= Newest post
Forum Rules:
No profanity, illegal acts or personal attacks will be tolerated in these discussion boards.
No commercial posting of any nature will be tolerated; only private sales by private individuals, in the "Buy and Sell" forum.
No SEO style postings will be tolerated. SEO related posts will result in immediate ban from CoffeeGeek.
No cross posting allowed - do not post your topic to more than one forum, nor repost a topic to the same forum.
Who Can Read The Forum? Anyone can read posts in these discussion boards.
Who Can Post New Topics? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post new topics.
Who Can Post Replies? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post replies.
Can Photos be posted? Anyone can post photos in their new topics or replies.
Who can change or delete posts? Any CoffeeGeek member can edit their own posts. Only moderators can delete posts.
Probationary Period: If you are a new signup for CoffeeGeek, you cannot promote, endorse, criticise or otherwise post an unsolicited endorsement for any company, product or service in your first five postings.
Stefano's Espresso Care
Repair - Parts - Sales
Factory Authorized &
Trained Technician
www.espressocare.com
Home | Opinions | Consumer Reviews | Guides & How Tos | CoffeeGeek Reviews | Resources | Forums | Contact Us
CoffeeGeek.com, CoffeeGeek, and Coffee Geek, along with all associated content & images are copyright ©2000-2014 by Mark Prince, all rights reserved, unless otherwise indicated. Content, code, and images may not be reused without permission. Usage of this website signifies agreement with our Terms and Conditions. (0.36506986618)
Privacy Policy | Copyright Info | Terms and Conditions | CoffeeGeek Advertisers | RSS | Find us on Google+