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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 8:12am
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des16 Said:

Yes, the first four are 1317.

Posted July 4, 2013 link

13 is 2013
what's 17?

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:41am
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carz07 Said:

13 is 2013
what's 17?

Posted July 4, 2013 link

Could be a week.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 8:33pm
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BubbaDude Said:

Could be a week.

Posted July 4, 2013 link

perhaps so its sort of production line out
i ordered mine last year around mid of the year so its 12
so its a week 6 production of 2012
which means what i have is from february product line

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:48pm
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greglepore Said:

Really? Like the iphone?

The made in China comments are nonsense. China can produce anything at any quality level, depending on the nominal "manufacturer's" demands for QC and oversight.

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greglepore Said:

Really? Like the iphone?

The made in China comments are nonsense. China can produce anything at any quality level, depending on the nominal "manufacturer's" demands for QC and oversight.

Posted June 25, 2013 link

Unfair comparison.  A high end espresso machine in no way can compare to a circuit board and battery stuffed into a phone case and usually tossed every two years.  If you expect to replace your espresso machine every two years, then I agree.  Not even sure the BDB is lasting 2 years??? Without multiple repairs.   All reminds me of the infamous KitchenAid espresso machine from a few years back. You get what you pay for. And yep, my awesome iPhone last about 2 years.  I want my espresso machine to last 20-30 years!  10 years so far on my S1V1.

Bottom line, most things coming from China is inferior!
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 5:57pm
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Rhinoevans Said:

Unfair comparison.  A high end espresso machine in no way can compare to a circuit board and battery stuffed into a phone case and usually tossed every two years.  If you expect to replace your espresso machine every two years, then I agree.  Not even sure the BDB is lasting 2 years??? Without multiple repairs.   All reminds me of the infamous KitchenAid espresso machine from a few years back. You get what you pay for. And yep, my awesome iPhone last about 2 years.  I want my espresso machine to last 20-30 years!  10 years so far on my S1V1.

Bottom line, most things coming from China is inferior!

Posted July 4, 2013 link

Again, someone who knows nothing about the BDB and who likely has never used or owned one comes over here and throws around misinformation.  What a bunch of nonsense!  (although I do agree with the critique of the iPhone, which is basically an American designed product).  What is it about the BDB that attracts so much envy from owners of other machines?
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 5:59pm
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donner Said:

What is it about the BDB that attracts so much envy from owners of other machines?

Posted July 5, 2013 link

Some people would rather fight than switch.

I was really irritated with Baratza for introducing the Vario-W just three months after I bought a regular Vario. I liked the Vario OK, but wished I had a grinder with a built-in scale, and damned if they didn't introduce one and make my nearly new grinder obsolete. Not that I don't like my Vario, mind you.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 6:57pm
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BubbaDude Said:

I was really irritated with Baratza for introducing the Vario-W just three months after I bought a regular Vario. I liked the Vario OK, but wished I had a grinder with a built-in scale, and damned if they didn't introduce one and make my nearly new grinder obsolete. Not that I don't like my Vario, mind you.

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i almost got into that scenario, but from they ive heard and read, the w was designed for drip brewing that is why the scale was built-in. also in their comparison chart the vario is geared for espresso fine grinds, while the w is not that good enough for espresso but was more inclined towards the drip, that is why entry levels grinds they have like the preciso and those range can be upgraded to have the scale loaded. hehehehe this is where it got me, why those lower once can have scale loaded, wish the vario can have that upgrade too. but then again, baratza was thinking of scale are used more for pour overs which dont need fine grinds. but would it be nice to have the scale, but it should be free floating pf scale, you dont want the grind to stop because youve pressed the pf hard and the grinder thought its 20g already hehehe but then again you can always transfer the grinds from that catcher to the pf. but the vario i tested pre weight beans 15.04g, came out 15.00/15.01g.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 7:10pm
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the question of the BDB's durability is a good one, and a perfectly legitimate concern.  and people seem to be letting themselves get all wrapped around the axle over it.  do that if you want.  the reason i got the BDB was performance.  and the performance i am interested in comes from temperature stability.  there are two ways to get that:  via the $6500 and-up, saturated brew group like the GS/3, or by having a PID controlled group heater like the BDB.  There is simply nothing like either in the $2000-$5500 class.  

lifetime robust construction is certainly appealing.  but a lifetime without easy, uber-precise temperature control is not.  i simply must have the temperature performance of the BDB (or a GS/3/Cyncra/Slayer/KVdW, etc...), and i am not willing to give up ANY temperature performance to get lifetime durability.  period.  so i'll say (again), the only thing that will replace my BDB will be another BDB, a saturated-group machine, or another machine with a PID heater in the brew group that matches the BDB's performance.  My mind has not changed over this one bit since a year ago.

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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 7:12pm
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donner Said:

 What is it about the BDB that attracts so much envy from owners of other machines?

Posted July 5, 2013 link

its the joy of having and enjoying the machine. we share and talk about our journey with this machine, an exciting adventure.
- ridged 18g pf design
- on the fly pre infusion
- on the fly temp surfing

we can pretty much have these stuff going on and make the journey and sharing our experiences as enjoyable as our cup of coffee.

so other machines that are just too self proven with time, doesnt have the excitement anymore - sort of just shut up and just drink you best shot from you "best" machine. so they come and start to throw stuff that their machine is better, just to put a little spark on their less exciting journey, to give a little color that they spent for a higher priced machine but has a lesser excitement to it, why the $1000 below guys are having fun with their toy while my $2000 toy machine, im just getting "the best shot" i have and this will be for 10 more years like this - boring!

envy brings the kid in us, break that other toy hahahaha so they throw all these whatever against the bdb

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 7:20pm
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dagoat Said:

lifetime robust construction is certainly appealing.  but a lifetime of mediocre espresso is not.

-peter

Posted July 5, 2013 link

TRUE, its the shot per pull that im concerned about and not that i will have the machine for the next 10 years.

 
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