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emil3m
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 7:20am
Subject: GS/3 v Speedster
 

In 2014, either one will become a feasible purchase for me.

After hearing some harsh words on the prospect of both, I would live to know the opinions/thoughts of the community. I'm not sure whether the person who told me that both are stupid purchases was just a hater or whether am I truly being fooled by marketing gimmicks.

My absolute first concern is superior components and performance. Only then, style comes into play. This is why I've always assumed that the more expensive Speedster loses to the GS/3.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 8:02am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

I think we're talking about two superb high end prosumer DB espresso machines here. Both are in about the same price range, and the La Marzocco GS/3 MP and Kees van der Wester Speedster are pretty much comparable as far as manufacturing quality ans performance are concerned. IMHO it's pretty much a question of which design you like best, because you'll find people advocating the one or the other machine.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 8:35am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

Both are amazing machines. I think it comes down to :
- Which fits the counter space better
- Which you want to look at for the next couple of decades

My only other thought is parts availability down the line.

 
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emil3m
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 8:50am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

I hope the replies keep coming in. I am generally wary of attributing price to quality, so I am almost glad that I've heard that unusual, disparaging rant last week.

Regarding parts availability/price--GS/3 wins this one by a mile? Counter space is not an issue. Style goes for Speedster IMO. There is an official distributor an hour drive from me in NJ. Sells it for $9,500 which is significantly more than the $6,900 for the GS/3.
I'm just wondering how much the eye-candy effect of the Speedster detracts from La Marzocco's reputation as having no equals.

Btw, the names he threw at me (as examples) were Rocket R58 and La Spaziale Dream saying that there's no performance or quality improvement past the $3k range. Only a fancy name to throw around. I could get either of those this month...

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 9:04am
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emil3m Said:

... La Marzocco's reputation as having no equals.

Posted July 4, 2013 link

Well, not everyone is 100% satisfied with the GS/3. I remember Jon Rosenthal, former CoffeeGeek moderator (aka JonR10), went back to having a Faema E61 Legend S1, because he wanted to go "old school".

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 9:05am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

emil3m Said:

I hope the replies keep coming in. I am generally wary of attributing price to quality, so I am almost glad that I've heard that unusual, disparaging rant last week.

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I'd be interested to know why you believe either of these machines makes a better home purchase than the normal hi end prosumer offerings.....what are the specific features and attributes you value and makes the machine perform "better". It might help a lot in being able to answer some off the issues you yourself appear to raise, or at least the specific points you might need clarified.

It also might help you decide whether you are genuinely questioning which machine, what you get for the money and it is worth spending more, or simply looking for validation for a decision you have already made. At the very least it gives me (and others) some context upon which to perhaps give an opinion, or clarify certain areas.
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 9:18am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

I'd be glad to provide the context. I actually do not have solid reasons and therefore this is not one of these threads where the OP wants to argue a point. The sentence you quoted is inviting more contribution as some people here have decades of experience and went through/seen a lot more espresso than I have.

I truly fell in love with espresso and a firm believer in working hard in order to play hard--being that I work really hard, there is no guilt associated with shelling out on a GS/3 or Speedster.

Contributions by CG members would be really appreciated as it IS quite an expense. Being that this is a long weekend for me, I have plenty of time to engage in a conversation that would make a tangible difference for me (people often say that a prosumer buy is for decades).

Though the Speedster is second to none (for me) in terms of looks, my main concern is to ensure that I am getting the best quality/performance in the single-group category. The $3k range (as mentioned above) adds yet another dimension to the discussion. The person I spoke to is generally anti-consumerism. I would like to remove ideology, ethics, and morals from this discussion. Would love to focus it purely on quality and performance.

Thank you all in advance!

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 9:32am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

Those two machines comprise my "dream list" for non-lever machines. The price you quote for the GS/3 is much more than what I've heard people are actually paying when they order over the phone from established highly reputable retailers in your part of the country. I believe you can get the speedster for much less as well. In fact, I believe you can order it directly from Kees. If it were me, I'd find out what that would cost me, the. Ask the retailer who quoted $9500 what I'll get by paying a couple k more to him.

Regarding parts, I don't see either company going away within the next couple of decades. However, given the Speedster is more of a "boutique" machine you may have to get them directly from Kees, and you may not get them as quickly. Of course, I'm only speculating on this point so I could be wrong.

I think both of those machines will give you commercial temp stability and near commercial performance in the home. Though that's based on other user experiences I've read and my amateur perusal of the machine innards via the web. As Nobby pointed out, Jon had a GS/3, but went back to a Faema, so clearly these machines aren't necessarily the gold standard to everyone.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 9:33am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

emil3m Said:

my main concern is to ensure that I am getting the best quality/performance in the single-group category.

Posted July 4, 2013 link

Well, the more money you spend on an espresso machine the smaller the "margin of profit" will be as far as espresso quality is concerned. What I'm trying to say is this: If you upgrade from a Gaggia Classic to a Rocket Espresso R58, the difference in espresso quality will be much more noticeable than stepping from a R58 to a GS/3 or Speedster, and the differences between those two machine in question are even smaller. So what it really boils down to in the end is design.

By the way, you haven't told us yet what grinder you own. Unless you already own a top-notch commercial grinder, there's usually much more potential improvement in a grinder upgrade.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:26am
Subject: Re: GS/3 v Speedster
 

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