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emradguy
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 5:36pm
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emil3m Said:

...I am considering classes either by intelligentsia, stumptown, or counter culture.

Posted July 5, 2013 link

I don't know much about those classes, but given they're all well-known high quality roasters, you probably can't go wrong with any of them.  Another option is Klatch Roasting.  Classes there are taught by 2-time US Barista Champion Heather Perry.  Having taken her one day class, I can say it's well worth it. Of course, you'd have to fly to LA for it.  I got lucky (after a couple of years trying to make it work).  Since I grew up in LA, I have a lot of family there, and happened to be invited to a wedding which coincided with one of the classes.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 5:44pm
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Yeah! I'm lucky to have many options in NYC. Though San Fran and Seattle are on my list to visit for some amazing espresso (from what I hear). Time is really what stops me from attending classes.

I'm not terrible though. Pretty confident that I would do well with a good machine. Trying to buy top of the line, because if like to make a long-term investment. Let's assume that you have your dream grinder and 5k to spend on a machine--what will make your top 3 choices? Vibiemme Double Domobar looks interesting, but I'd love to pit against 2-3 other ones and try and see what features are out there which could tip the decision.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 6:53pm
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Yeah, GS/3 and speedster have been on that list for me, but I have to admit there were some good arguments raised against them in this thread. I have a Duetto and I'm very, very happy with it. For a DB, I'd look at the Vibiemme and the Rocket. I'd also consider levers if I had the space. There are a lot of great HX machines to choose from, but I'm not the best to recommend any of them, as I haven't compared any of them.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 7:08pm
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emradguy Said:

Yeah, GS/3 and speedster have been on that list for me, but I have to admit there were some good arguments raised against them in this thread. I have a Duetto and I'm very, very happy with it. For a DB, I'd look at the Vibiemme and the Rocket. I'd also consider levers if I had the space. There are a lot of great HX machines to choose from, but I'm not the best to recommend any of them, as I haven't compared any of them.

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Funny! This is exactly the list I posted in a new thread with a more representative title.

How do you feel about the new Alex? And yeah--I three in a HX to see how people react.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:05pm
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emil3m Said:

I am considering classes either by intelligentsia, stumptown, or counter culture.

Posted July 5, 2013 link

At risk of thread jacking...you and others might consider the alternative to classes: actually working behind an espresso bar.  If you have a committed and passionate coffee bar in your area you might try asking them if they would let you bar back a little bit in exchange for practice/training time on their machines and with their baristas (and whole lot of wasted milk).  You could call this interning, but I think staging might be a more appropriate and aspirational term.  I don't like the idea of long-term work-for-free arrangements as I don't think it's very healthly for the professional barista community at large, but I do think a weeks worth of shifts is reasonable and beneficial for everyone.  You get a lot more practice than a class would offer.  The cafe gets an extra set of hands to wash dishes.  You both make connections and relationships that should help build a better coffee community.
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:25pm
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In my eyes, these are the major competitors in the high end prosumer market, excluding the GS/3 and the Elektra Sixties... Listed in order
of pricing. (According to idrinkcoffee.com .. other vendors may vary!)

  1. Rocket R58

This was Rocket's first double boiler machine and in my eyes is one of the more technologically advanced E61 machines on the market, utilizing a
traditional E61 group and designed with stunning looks.

  1. Vibiemme Double Domobar

The forum members I know who own this machine tell me that this is one of the only E61 group machines which has a brew group which
uses all of the original Faema E61 patents and technology.

  1. Nuova Simonelli Musica (Not counting the Lux)

Considered to be even a light commercial machine, some people swear by them! What makes this machine different in this class is the volumetric
dosing, while the others are just semi-automatic machines. This is also a heat exchanging machine while the other machines in this class are DB.

  1.  La Spaziale S1 Dream

I would consider this machine to be one of the most technologically advanced prosumer espresso machines on the market. Pressure profiling via
USB stick, a touch sensitive display and lots of other goodies make a tech obsessed coffee geek drool!

  1.  Izzo Alex Duetto III

I personally own one of these machines and love it. These machines use a lot of "Off the Shelf" components, making them very servicable.
It's a very well designed and engineered machine. I'm glad I bought mine!

Like anything, all of these machines are just on the cusp of an exponential price curve, but all of them will deliver years of dependable service
and a delicious cup of coffee if used correctly.

With any of these machines, you could bang out a shot in about 3-4 minutes, start to finish. From my point of view, the featureset of all of these
machines is almost identical, excluding the Musica and the S1 Dream. For me, it was down to either the Vibiemme or the Izzo and I picked the Izzo
because it was a shallower machine, had slightly smaller boilers as well as being able to get service from multiple vendors in the area if I needed it.

I think since competition is really stiff in this area, you can't really go wrong with buying any of these machines and you do get a lot of value for your
money. You would be very hard pressed to tell the difference between one of these machines and a GS/3.

 
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Posted Sat Jul 6, 2013, 2:05am
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qualin Said:

Nuova Simonelli Musica (Not counting the Lux)

Posted July 5, 2013 link

Just to be clear, the Musica is an HX machine, not a DB.

 
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Posted Sat Jul 6, 2013, 2:21am
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The Londinium L1 Luxe with exposed sides could be worthy of consideration.

I have the QuickMill Achille which also uses the same group as L1. With all the talk about pressure profile, why not just get a lever? The lever allows unlimited variation on preinfusion. By holding down the lever, even the lever pressure profile can be changed.  Both machines can be either plumb in or tank, consider the OP currently rents.

The lever machines' parts are generic for ease of servicing, yet the styling can be classy, especially if custom wood handles are fitted.
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Posted Sat Jul 6, 2013, 8:46am
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tek Said:

Key to make it work really good is the way you transfer coffee from bin to basket. I found that if you pour and tap bin so it deposits coffee into center of basket you end up with nice mount of coffee in center of basket. Then you gently shake it side to side once or twice, rotate basket 90 degrees, gently shake side to side again once and tamp, you will have super consistent results. This works for me every single time.

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I tip the bin to the corner and I use this dosing funnel  ( Click Here (www.orphanespresso.com) ). The funnel makes it a lot easier and it is short enough that if you do have a bit of a mound you can level it with your finger a bit before you take the funnel off. I usually tap the PF lightly on my rubber mat before I take the funnel off too.
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Posted Sun Jul 7, 2013, 1:44am
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I also use a funnel for several good reasons: it reduces the mess when grinding directly into the portafilter, it enables you to to do the WDT directly inside the filter basket, and it helps to tamp level.

 
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