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Posted Wed Jul 3, 2013, 7:29am
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Haven't seen anything about it here or over on HB, but I've got to say that the new Faema Carisma that Chris is bringing in looks very, very nice. Seems like it's hitting a nice balance between tradition and innovation. I can't plumb, and can't run a 20 amp machine, so the pourover HX category is where any pump machine I'm using needs to live.

I especially like the combination of digital temp control and traditional pressure gauge with a Faema-made E61 group. Seems as if the boiler's big enough to handle potential light commercial use and it is NSF certified.

Ideally, I'm a lever guy, but a Londinium just wouldn't fit iin our current space, and I would want to spend a little time with a Strega before making that particular decision. So, I think I'm going to start working on making a case for the Carisma to the comptroller, God bless her.
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Posted Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:23pm
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Looks good, but I am still holding out for my Londinium.  Just need to get a lotto ticket.

 
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Posted Wed Jul 3, 2013, 5:17pm
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Just watched the video on Chris coffee. Really nice looking machine, with some really nice features. Love how easy the whole drip tray slides out. If you watch till the end (yeah I did) Chris goes through the included accessories, "and a worthless plastic tamper", no change in his tone of voice- perfectly cool.  Hilarious, love it!
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 7:51am
Subject: Re: Faema Carisma
 

GVDub Said:

...Ideally, I'm a lever guy, but a Londinium just wouldn't fit iin our current space, and I would want to spend a little time with a Strega before making that particular decision. So, I think I'm going to start working on making a case for the Carisma to the comptroller, God bless her.

Posted July 3, 2013 link

Just for my own curiosity, why wouldn't the same standard ("would want to spend a little time") which is applied to the Strega here not be equally applied to the Carisma? Again, just my personal curiosity.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 9:30am
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1stline Said:

Just for my own curiosity, why wouldn't the same standard ("would want to spend a little time") which is applied to the Strega here not be equally applied to the Carisma? Again, just my personal curiosity.

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Fair question, Jim. Here's how I read it: I'm already fairly familiar with E-61 machines, and the mechanics of pulling a shot on one is not much different than pulling a shot on another. The Carisma design looks solid, and, aside from the switch to digital temp control rather than a p-stat, is a pretty traditional machine. My one concern would be recovery time, as I've heard from some sources that p-stat controlled machines have a slightly faster recovery time, due to the nature of how PIDs ramp heater control (especially for an HX machine, a little overshoot isn't necessarily a bad thing if it makes for faster recovery, as the natural compensation with the flush makes it a non-issue)

The Strega, on the other hand, at least the non-plumbed version (which would be what I would have to go with for a variety of reasons) using the combination of spring lever and vibe pump to extract the shot, is an unknown quantity for me, and I'd want to pull several dozen shots on one before committing to purchase. My lever experience has all been with the Caravel, which is quite different from a spring lever with a commercial portafilter. So, spending time with a completely unfamiliar machine seems called for, as compared to a machine that works pretty much the same as other machines I've used.

So there's my logic. Feel free to poke holes in it. I'm always willing to listen to the voices of experience.
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Posted Fri Jul 5, 2013, 9:34am
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GVDub Said:

Fair question, Jim. Here's how I read it: I'm already fairly familiar with E-61 machines, and the mechanics of pulling a shot on one is not much different than pulling a shot on another. The Carisma design looks solid, and, aside from the switch to digital temp control rather than a p-stat, is a pretty traditional machine. My one concern would be recovery time, as I've heard from some sources that p-stat controlled machines have a slightly faster recovery time, due to the nature of how PIDs ramp heater control (especially for an HX machine, a little overshoot isn't necessarily a bad thing if it makes for faster recovery, as the natural compensation with the flush makes it a non-issue)

The Strega, on the other hand, at least the non-plumbed version (which would be what I would have to go with for a variety of reasons) using the combination of spring lever and vibe pump to extract the shot, is an unknown quantity for me, and I'd want to pull several dozen shots on one before committing to purchase. My lever experience has all been with the Caravel, which is quite different from a spring lever with a commercial portafilter. So, spending time with a completely unfamiliar machine seems called for, as compared to a machine that works pretty much the same as other machines I've used.

So there's my logic. Feel free to poke holes in it. I'm always willing to listen to the voices of experience.

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Thanks for the reasoning. I do hope you get a chance to experience a Strega.

 
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Posted Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:29am
Subject: Re: Faema Carisma
 

G-Dub, I always enjoy watching Chris's vids. I also laughed at the perfectly droll "and a worthless plastic tamper" comment.

BTW, another spring lever you may want to consider is the Quick Mile Achille.
This has been a great year or 2 as regards the emergence of single group Commercial Levers (but designed to be at home in your home) such as Reiss's (Londinium) L1, the, The QM Achille, the Izzo Pompei, and of course, the Strega.

The Carisma seems to be a very fine example of a a great "traditional" HX pump machine incorporating  some new and innovative goodies to make the every day experience more enjoyable.
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