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1stline
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Posted Mon Jul 1, 2013, 9:12am
Subject: Re: Steam tips for the ECM Technika?
 

Markarian Said:

Sounds like a mystery to me! Even Jim from 1st Line sounded unsure of the compatibility between any aftermarket tips. I'd love to try a Steam Knife or something like it at some point.

Also, unrelated question, I notice these nicer E61 machines have a shower screen that has no center screw, like Saeco or Simonelli. How the hell does the shower screen stay on??

Posted June 30, 2013 link

Sorry, we have so many parts in stock that I was not even aware that we had some ECM Germany tips when we spoke.

4 hole
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Also, if you backflush rinse regularly and backflush with detergent every 50 extractions, there is much less need to remove the dispersion screen.

 
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Posted Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:24am
Subject: Re: Steam tips for the ECM Technika?
 

NobbyR Said:

By the way to you have the model with rocker switches for steam and hot water or the usual rotary valves?

Posted June 30, 2013 link

I have the one with the rocker levers, since I liked the Aurelia one Plindy put on my Oscar so much.
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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 2:21am
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Markarian Said:

I have the one with the rocker levers

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So that means instant full power steam. You probably already found out that the Technika leaves you with less time for frothing milk than your Oscar did. But that's just a matter of getting used to.

 
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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 6:04am
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1stline Said:

Also, if you backflush rinse regularly and backflush with detergent every 50 extractions, there is much less need to remove the dispersion screen.

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agree with that, Jim.  In fact, sometimes when I remove the screen, I find it doesn't need any cleaning at all.  Probably because I always backflush with water after every session.  I've heard different arguments about how often to backflush with detergent and would really like to hear your thoughts. Some say weekly, and I was doing that, but then DavecUK went on one of his little rants about how that is bad for the machine if you don't take the time to fully disassemble the E61 and do a lube job regularly.  Of course, he never replied again on that thread after I wrote back.  Could you explain the reasoning for "after 50 extractions" (I'm guessing that's not an arbitrary number)?

Thanks!

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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 8:11am
Subject: Re: Steam tips for the ECM Technika?
 

emradguy Said:

agree with that, Jim.  In fact, sometimes when I remove the screen, I find it doesn't need any cleaning at all.  Probably because I always backflush with water after every session.  I've heard different arguments about how often to backflush with detergent and would really like to hear your thoughts. Some say weekly, and I was doing that, but then DavecUK went on one of his little rants about how that is bad for the machine if you don't take the time to fully disassemble the E61 and do a lube job regularly.  Of course, he never replied again on that thread after I wrote back.  Could you explain the reasoning for "after 50 extractions" (I'm guessing that's not an arbitrary number)?

Thanks!

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I have written commentary information about this on our web site.

As for DaveUK and with all due respect, he may have different experiences in the UK.

Over the last 15 years and thousands of machines later, I can count how many home users had to relube their lever e61 groupheads on four hands. It is very infrequent. However, we have attributed this to using too much detergent or detergent that is too strong or too concentrated.

 
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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 8:45am
Subject: Re: Steam tips for the ECM Technika?
 

Since we modded the Oscar for steam I would be interested to know if you think it is that much different than what you have now.  I think our mods would have made it on par with commercial machines.

 
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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 8:52am
Subject: Re: Steam tips for the ECM Technika?
 

Generally, I do a water backflush once a night before my machine shuts down for the evening, and a detergent backflush (With JoeGlo) around once every two weeks or so. I have to admit, taking apart the E61 certainly looks intimidating. I have to admit, the steam/hot water levers feel a little weird, compared to the Aurelia lever I had on my Oscar. There's no solid click where it engages, but rather just kind of stays in place as long as you pull it hard enough. It must be a different mechanism. I have to say I'm tremendously impressed with this machine--I love how solid and precise it feels. Going from the Oscar to this feels like moving from a Toyota Corolla to a BMW 7 Series.
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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 9:00am
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thanks very much Jim!

 
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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 6:04pm
Subject: Re: Steam tips for the ECM Technika?
 

1stline Said:

I have written commentary information about this on our web site.

As for DaveUK and with all due respect, he may have different experiences in the UK.

Over the last 15 years and thousands of machines later, I can count how many home users had to relube their lever e61 groupheads on four hands. It is very infrequent. However, we have attributed this to using too much detergent or detergent that is too strong or too concentrated.

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Funny how i just brought this up to you today!
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