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JMFishtown
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 1:14pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

I have had one spin out in 6 months of use... My routine is always this:
Flush for 5 seconds
Wipe basket and rim dry
Grind
Distribute
Tamp
Flush group head for 2 seconds
Lock (6-7)
Pull

The one time I had the portafilter spinout was right after a chemical clean. I run water backflushes once every couple of weeks and chemical flushes only when 'clean me' comes up.  I really think the spinout comes down the lugs on your portafilter...If you get them too often contact breville and see if they will send you a B portafilter with thicker lugs. If i start getting more spinouts that's what i will do. It's NOT something that should happen more than VERY RARELY
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michaelgo
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 7:33pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

JMFishtown Said:

It's NOT something that should happen more than VERY RARELY

Posted June 20, 2013 link

I don't think I've ever had a spin out.  A couple of times the PF got loose but I caught it as I watched the handle start to slip.  But not once in the last few months.  My routine is similar to above, backflush a couple of times a week, with tablet at Clean Me and water flush between shots.

Michael
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B747VET
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 8:10am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Anywhere from 17-19, usually 18.
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PrescottCR
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:04am
Subject: volume vs mass
 

17-19gm is prolly right, if on the light side you might get your wet puck sticking to the dispersion screen, if on the heavy side you might not be able to put the PF all the way in as the dry puck hits the dispersion screen. The too heavy dose is likely to aid in pushing out the PF. The included tamp shows you have far down the top of your dry puck should be after your tamp. The exact number for your coffee would be whatever gets you to that level.

Also, if you under dose you can tell because your tamp base will hit metal when you apply pressure. It'll hit where the baskets start to narrow.

I really think for me the cause of the spin outs is more the groves where the lugs go vs the silicon gasket getting slippery. That's why I'll flush it with cleaner then plenty of water to remove the cleaner. Just as JMFishtown said, this shouldn't happen more than very rarely. I've seen my employees have PF's spin out of a La Pavoni because of over dosing and thus not being able to get a good lock in. It happens to all kinds of machines, but it should not happen often.
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 4:29am
Subject: Re: volume vs mass
 

PrescottCR Said:

I really think for me the cause of the spin outs is more the groves where the lugs go vs the silicon gasket getting slippery. That's why I'll flush it with cleaner then plenty of water to remove the cleaner. Just as JMFishtown said, this shouldn't happen more than very rarely. I've seen my employees have PF's spin out of a La Pavoni because of over dosing and thus not being able to get a good lock in. It happens to all kinds of machines, but it should not happen often.

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My only spinouts have been due to overdosing, I've yet to have a properly dosed basket spin out, and I don't take any particular care with the group.
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PrescottCR
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:25am
Subject: Gasket changed?
 

I just noticed the image for the replacement head gasket looks a lot different than the one I have in my /A machine.

http://www.brevilleusa.com/58mm-steam-ring-bes900xl.html

Maybe the lugs, gasket, et al are all just the maturation of their espresso machines. Or, maybe it's the wrong picture for that part :)
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:39am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

dagoat Said:

insider question(s) for phil:

1) is the brew pump the tried and tested Ukla?
2) if so, is the pre infusion (and the nearly silent pumping that fills the reservoirs), done with the main brew pump?
the reason i ask is that i thought vibe pumps did not lend themselves to variable output pressure.
so
2a) if the pre infusion is done by the main vibe pump, then how is it's pressure modulated?

on a different tack:
this machine has surpassed my expectations to the point that i see only one possible upgrade, (given the state of the art today, anyway), and that is to go straight to the saturated brew group-class, (GS/3, Synesso Cyncra, Speedster, etc...).  i tell you, before i got this machine, i was hopeful for it, but not giving it much respect.  in fact, i was all set to buy a la spaziale, vivaldi II, (plumbed-in rotary, with PID), even at $2400.  it was not until the 30% off sale at WS where i got my BDB (brand new not refurb), for $839, that i delayed the LS vivII.  i was going to put the BDB in the family vacation home and the LaSpaz in our house.  now, i think i'm going to bypass the laSpaz altogether as i don't think other than the bling of a rotary it is a large enough step above the BDB to qualify as much of an upgrade.  one day i will own a saturated brew group-type machine (with pressure paddle), but in the mean time, there is nothing below that, to tempt me out of the BDB.

-peter

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Big talk for a machine with NO history.  My La Spaziale VI has served me well for the last 9 years, and is still my main machine, daily!  Good luck with your BDB, but normally you get what you pay for.  Probably the BDB is great at its current price point, but my main concern is reliability and maintainability in the long run.  No way would I pick the BDB over the VII!!
BTW, I currently have enough United rewards points to get one FREE, and still hesitate.  Mainly because of the C word, China! Not really known for quality anything!
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:52am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Rhinoevans Said:

Big talk for a machine with NO history.  My La Spaziale VI has served me well for the last 9 years, and is still my main machine, daily!  Good luck with your BDB, but normally you get what you pay for.  Probably the BDB is great at its current price point, but my main concern is reliability and maintainability in the long run.  No way would I pick the BDB over the VII!!
BTW, I currently have enough United rewards points to get one FREE, and still hesitate.  Mainly because of the C word, China! Not really known for quality anything!

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China vs Italy?  Now that's a tough one.  Have you ever owned a FIAT?  I have.  After that experience, I might take my chances with a Chinese car before buying another FIAT (fix it again tony).  Besides, the BDB is not designed in China.  It's an Australian machine.
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mililani
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:47pm
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donner Said:

China vs Italy?  Now that's a tough one.  Have you ever owned a FIAT?  I have.  After that experience, I might take my chances with a Chinese car before buying another FIAT (fix it again tony).  Besides, the BDB is not designed in China.  It's an Australian machine.

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Hahahaha, oh my, the sting!  IT BURNS!!
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mililani
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:51pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Hi all,

I've been perusing this thread, and I've very much been interested in the BES900XL since a couple of years ago.  I am wondering, though, on what price to pull the trigger.  About a year ago, Williams Sonoma had it on sale with a 30% discount for only $840.  That was including free shipping and no tax.  Since then, the cheapest I've seen it was for $900 at Williams Sonoma.  

I've read that some people on here have supposedly bought it for $700 in Canada???  I can't find follow up messages to verify if they actually got it at that price.  I'm wondering because I think it's high time I pull the trigger on this machine--since it seems they've worked out the kinks with the B model.  I could buy the A model, and if it has problems, hopefully return it for the B model.

Any thoughts on this?  I also see that Seattle Coffee Gear is selling refurbed models for $800 with a 90 day warranty from Breville.  It's kind of tempting.
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