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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 8:07pm
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toiler Said:

It flutters the same with blank. I prefer to have a 9 bar shot without fluttering which is why I adjusted the pressure. Best to move it back down and let the valve do its job.  It seems to make better shots with the fluttering and makes them in the proper time so I guess  its supposed to do that.

I am using 18 gram shots most times, but I move it up or down a few 10th's sometimes. Mostly I leave the dose the same and adjust the grind.

Overall the flutter is about 1 bar, half up and half down.

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hi are you using the dual wall single shot basket? what does it pressure gauge read?

 
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Posted Tue Jun 11, 2013, 6:15pm
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I got the new replacement machine from Breville. I have attached pictures of the grouphead . this post l has the old machine picture . Next post will have the new one... they look the same. The model ends in /b. The machine blinds at 9.8 and pulls a shot at about 9.0. The portafilter is MUCH TIGHTER when it screws in, I can't screw it in past the lock mark.. too tight.  The machine comes with the 16 oz frothing mug, I have found this to be perfect for latte art.  the utility tray is different, with two lips coming off the drip tray instead of one (although I remove the utility tray and never use it.  I shipped the old machine back with prepaid fedex label.  All in all, very happy, great service.

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Posted Tue Jun 11, 2013, 6:18pm
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this  post has the newmachine grouphead picture

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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 7:20am
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The pictures came out kind of small, is the white gasket completely different on the new machine? It looks like it might be flat in your picture.

Glad you had a good experience, as you should!
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 6:19pm
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Gaskets appear the same.  I did replace the silicone gasket on the old machine about a month ago, but still had the portafilter spinning out. By the way, I tried my first shot today on the machine ( from my columbian home roasted beans).  Great balanced flavor. I love the new machine!
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Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 8:58pm
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Hey! Been trying to read through this whole thread... man it's big I'm on page 77 of 222 only. Anyways...

Had the dual boiler up and running for about a month now.. LOVE it.. ordered a 20oz toroid pitcher and a 12oz rattleware steam pitcher (pouring latte art in the toroid one takes some real getting used to... amazing microfoam though) because the stock 26oz'er is a gargantuan not meant for small amounts of milk (wish I had the 16oz that that guy got ^^^)... anyways.. also ordered a 18g VST filter after reading so many people gloating about it.

However, when I run my shots now (18g weighed 30lb tamp etc etc) I figured out the proper grind to get a ~26 second extraction (not including pre infusion) my pucks are kinda muddy and soppy afterwards... before with the stock breville filter basket it would be packed pretty tight and hit against the grouphead but the pucks would come out super clean and dry every time. Every shot i've pulled with the new vst has a bit of a espresso soup on top of it... now I know that's not supposed to be like that.. but why's it like that??? I can't figure out what's wrong
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Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 9:24pm
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I had the same experience with the 15 and 18gm VSTs. But at those doses, the puck sits kind of low. You might try up-dosing another gram. I think it has to do with the 3 way valve and head space.

Besides the mess they worked fine. The same thing happens with the 7gm VST as well for me.
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Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 9:27pm
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moosie Said:

However, when I run my shots now (18g weighed 30lb tamp etc etc) I figured out the proper grind to get a ~26 second extraction (not including pre infusion) my pucks are kinda muddy and soppy afterwards... before with the stock breville filter basket it would be packed pretty tight and hit against the grouphead but the pucks would come out super clean and dry every time. Every shot i've pulled with the new vst has a bit of a espresso soup on top of it... now I know that's not supposed to be like that.. but why's it like that??? I can't figure out what's wrong

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just my 1 pesos hehehehe, the vst is a learning tool, actually more of a correcting tool, your choice to use it after specially its a bit pricy. the stock baskets are perfect baskets and what makes it good is that its forgiving. now the vst corrects every details of your routine sort of. you might be pulling good using the stock but then again when you got for the vst some problem arises. so you have to recheck your routine, after perfectly pulling shots using the vst, then you can go back to the stock and you cant go wrong with the stock. not to mention you might get into the naked portafilter hehehe

because of the stock design, that has the dent, it prevents you from underdosing, so you dose correctly and dosing correctly or overdosing will for sure eliminate the muddy puck. you can start with this variable - dose, solution is weighing the beans and after the grind, then weigh the shot for dry. if the dose is correct, then adjust the grind, course is muddy, fine is dry

 
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Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 9:41pm
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Ya I will updose a gram... adjust the grind to keep the proper extraction time.   I really want the naked portafilter... just don't know how to get it by my wife haha. After the 700$ I spent on the BDB, 160$ on accessories, another 100$ for a portafilter haha... hard to pass that by her
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Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 9:54pm
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moosie Said:

Ya I will updose a gram... adjust the grind to keep the proper extraction time.   I really want the naked portafilter... just don't know how to get it by my wife haha. After the 700$ I spent on the BDB, 160$ on accessories, another 100$ for a portafilter haha... hard to pass that by her

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well you can tell her if your liking the shots now, i can make it way better by fine tuning the shots using the naked pf and it will be worth it

 
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