Anunn Senior Member Joined: 8 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: Thailand Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:31pm Subject: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
Ever since I upgraded my reliable silvia to NS Oscar, I just could not make decent espresso anymore, the magic is gone, I just feel like the machine is getting in the way of me making coffee, not to mention there's so many issues with the oscar such as, constant wet steam, even when the steam is working properly it's so poweful there's no way I can make decent microfoam, and false steam pressure issue, there's even a 9 point power on procedure that I need to follow just to make 2 cups of latte every morning, I need to wake up 1 hour early just to prepare the machine. I felt that Breville Dual Boillers would require less processing and it can be turn on by a timer so when I wake up it's ready, before I pull the trigger I would like to know what are your thought?
calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 8,137 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 2:41am Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
Your money and your machine. There are very easy mods to put Oscar on a timer but that choice is yours to make.
Someone is going to get a very nice machine in that used Oscar.
To power on, walk over to machine, push power button. Let machine warm up, bleed false pressure after about 10 minutes, let machine continue to warm up. I really don't know where you get 9 steps ???
More stream pressure in Oscar vs Sylvia is a given. A little work on your part will have you getting great shots with Oscar. You don't say what grinder you are using, I hope it is a good one as the grinder is more important than the machine and if you have a lower quality grinder, you won't be happy with the BDB either.
I have owned both the Oscar and Sylvia and the steps are the same with both machines in fact there are less steps on Oscar than on Sylvia as you do not need to switch to steam mode.
You need to wait at least half an hour for Sylvia to warm up just like every other machine so you will not be getting up any sooner for Oscar than Sylvia. As to the false pressure, just put Oscar on a timer anyway and let out the pressure when you wake up, most of the warming will be done and you will quickly be able to pull shots.
You will need to adjust to any machine when you get one, my machine makes Oscars steam look like a water kettle yet I can get great microfoam anyway.
I'm sorry if I am wrong but with you being so new to the board, I have to wonder if your motive wasn't just push a BDB as your points "against" Oscar really are pretty weak in the big picture and the difference in user interface between the three machines isn't that different in the brewing steps required to make espresso.
Regardless of the maker of the machine, you will need to weigh the dose, grind, dose, distribute, tamp, lock, pull, clean the PF and clean the machine.
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emradguy Senior Member Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 3,432 Location: Houston Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 4:35am Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
Sounds like a big mistake to me. Before you get rid of your Oscar, you should take a good hard look at the "Trick Out Oscar Party" (in mods and restorations) thread... Click Here (coffeegeek.com)
If you still don't want to keep it, well, then that's your choice. Here's a question for you though...What are you going to do in a couple/few years when your BDB is "ready for maintenance" and won't work again until you send it in to the factory? Are you going to ship it across seas or get a new one? or maybe Breville is opening a repair facility in Thailand?
. Always remember the most important thing is what ends up in your cup!
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 3,057 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: N S Oscar Grinder: K30 & Vario W
Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 6:52am Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
It is up to you, but I agree with the posters above and think you should rethink this decision. With you being Thailand being able to repair the machine is a huge consideration. Assuming your grinder is good I would work on my technique. If you still want to change machines, consider a machine you can get serviced in Thailand or service yourself.
Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.
greglepore Senior Member Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 53 Location: se pa usa Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 9:06am Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
Disclaimer-I have a BDB after my well used Oscar died. The issues you have with the Oscar are easily addressed, if they're your only issues. Check out the referenced thread. A pressure relief valve solves the false pressure issue. A different tip with three small holes will make microfoam a snap...
MerleApAmber Senior Member Joined: 12 Nov 2012 Posts: 235 Location: Atlanta Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 6:58pm Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
I can't address your issue about living in Thailand for maintenance down the road. I'd have to think the NS product may be better attended outside of the target markets Breville is building today. I can't address others points about the "Reach Fail: No Coffee" point on the BDB - While I'm on the journey with over 2500 >6 second cycles in the past 6 months; I do not have experience with RF:NC yet... But, I make a very good cuppa joe any way I want it to come out with MY BDB - effortlessly; and that's the best I can offer you. Sometimes what works for one isn't the best option for another. Good luck, good journey. -Chris
Anunn Senior Member Joined: 8 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: Thailand Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 6:12pm Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
I'm using the macap m5 grinder, after reading your comments I decided to give it another try, I just bought a timer which would solve the warmup time issue, the next issue would be the steam nozzle, I think a 2 hole tip would work, can you tell me where I can buy it online? As for the false pressure I can deal with that manually.
donner Senior Member Joined: 17 Apr 2013 Posts: 34 Location: Canada Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 8:34pm Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
I don't know much about the Oscar, but I can tell you that making good coffee is quite simple and easily repeatable with the Breville double boiler. No need for a timer, in my opinion. It takes ten minutes or less to warm up after pushing the on button, and only about two minutes (including grinding and pulling a shot) before one can sit down and enjoy the coffee. The steam function also works very well.
Iluvdabean Senior Member Joined: 7 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,314 Location: Kentucky Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: La Nuova Era Cuadra/Gaggia... Grinder: Baratza Preciso/K-A Pro... Drip: Bonavita BV 1800 TH Roaster: Nesco 1010/Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:57pm Subject: Re: I'm getting rid of my NS Oscar for the Breville Dual Boilers
The BDB seems to be a disposable machine,many are on as many as three machines. The good thing is, yes they are fool proof, computerized,use some new Australian engineering techniques,require sending in for cleaning and are made in China. I think you will be very very happy.
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