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CWirth
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 8:24pm
Subject: In Tank Water Softener?
 

I live in Florida which has very hard water. I currently filter my water through a sink attached water filter.  Should I also be using an in-tank water softener (on a CC1 which will be here on Friday)?

If so, should I get one like this?
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Also, how often is descaling recommended for an area with hard water. I have read as seldom as 6 months and as often as monthly.

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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 8:48pm
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I descale every 6 months with dezcal, and backflush with cafiza monthly (along with a blank flush every other day or so). Should be fine doing that and water softner in the tank, gotta love FL limestone lol.
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 8:55pm
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CMIN Said:

I descale every 6 months with dezcal, and backflush with cafiza monthly (along with a blank flush every other day or so). Should be fine doing that and water softner in the tank, gotta love FL limestone lol.

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Would a water softener like the one I posted work? And how are you liking your CC1?
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 9:21pm
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Yeh should be fine, love the CC1.
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 9:24pm
Subject: Re: In Tank Water Softener?
 

CWirth Said:

Would a water softener like the one I posted work? And how are you liking your CC1?

Posted June 12, 2013 link

Cation filters are not recommended for coffee by the SCAA. Marshall Fuss noted that in this post on H-B.

 
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:08pm
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dana_leighton Said:

Cation filters are not recommended for coffee by the SCAA. Marshall Fuss noted that in this post on H-B.

Posted June 12, 2013 link

I have read through that thread twice and generally understand what they are talking about. I will only be in Florida through August when I move to Philadelphia (Water appears softer there). Would you recommend simply descaling the machine on a regular basis (how often)?

I realize that there are other methods out there as were mentioned in the thread, however, while I am willing to put some effort in, I do not want to invest a lot of money or time in a water treatment process if regular descaling will keep my machine running well.
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:18pm
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dana_leighton Said:

Cation filters are not recommended for coffee by the SCAA. Marshall Fuss noted that in this post on H-B.

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An in-tank ion exchange filter might not be SCAA approved, but it works to protect your machine from harmful scale. However, you'll have to renew the filter monthly in order to prevent bacterial growth and fungi. The use of such a filter doesn't keep you from descaling, though.

 
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Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:34pm
Subject: Re: In Tank Water Softener?
 

CWirth Said:

I have read through that thread twice and generally understand what they are talking about. I will only be in Florida through August when I move to Philadelphia (Water appears softer there). Would you recommend simply descaling the machine on a regular basis (how often)?

Posted June 12, 2013 link

Well, that's like trying to read tea leaves. No one can really answer that question because it has so many variables (the composition of the hardness among them). What would I recommend? probably bottled water for the next 2 months, maybe mixing RO with spring water to get TDS of 50 or so? I have 65 TDS water and descale the HX once a month, and boiler every 3 months. If you don't want to go to that expense, I think the cation softener might be fine for 2 months. I have used them and can't say I really notice any difference. You do need to recharge it with a salt solution soak once a month or maybe more frequently in very hard water I dunno.

 
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Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 7:36am
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For whatever it's worth, living in L.A., I've been using a in-tank cation softener (the one that Stefano sells) on the water that comes out of my sinkside carbon filter and don't get slime, haven't had a scale problem in the Ellimatic, and don't have slimy pucks. Plus the espresso's very tasty. So, I would guess that, as with most things, YMMV.

Which reminds me—it's time for a recharge. Guess I know what I'm doing when I get home tonight.
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Posted Thu Jun 13, 2013, 7:50am
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GVDub Said:

For whatever it's worth, living in L.A., I've been using a in-tank cation softener (the one that Stefano sells) on the water that comes out of my sinkside carbon filter and don't get slime, haven't had a scale problem in the Ellimatic, and don't have slimy pucks. Plus the espresso's very tasty. So, I would guess that, as with most things, YMMV.

Which reminds me—it's time for a recharge. Guess I know what I'm doing when I get home tonight.

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Is this the one you have?:
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