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faster
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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 1:02am
Subject: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

Can somebody tell me if the price difference between the 2 machines is justified?
What makes the Silvia so much better?
My present machine is dying and out of many machines I found (here and cafe forums), these 2 seem most popular for serious espresso drinkers.

Just a short description/difference will suffice, I am not sure if I should get a second hand Silvia, or just get the Classic?
(I know then I got to get a grinder...)

Alternatively are there other machines of this quality price range?

Thanx for your time
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NobbyR
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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 1:51am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

There are several reasons why the Rancilio Silvia is more expensive than the Gaggia Classic:
  • bigger boiler (0.33 vs. 0.1 liter)
  • brass vs. aluminium boiler
  • commercial steam wand vs. panarello
  • heavier (14 vs. 8 kg)
  • better manufacturing quality

All of this results in a higher resale value, too.

However, considering that other machines in that price range nowadays offer more features, the Silvia seems overpriced. Both are SBDUs, so it'll largely depend on your needs, whether or not you might get happy with any of them. In order to give you good advise on alternatives, you should give us some information first:

1) What kind of drinks do you want to brew?
2) How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time?
3) How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making per day/week?
4) What is your budget for a new machine? Does that also include a grinder? If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

 
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faster
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Espresso: Rancillio Silvia-PID
Grinder: Rossi RR45
Roaster: Homemade drum roaster
Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 3:41am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

NobbyR Said:

There are several reasons why the Rancilio Silvia is more expensive than the Gaggia Classic:
bigger boiler (0.33 vs. 0.1 liter)
brass vs. aluminium boiler
commercial steam wand vs. panarello
heavier (14 vs. 8 kg)
better manufacturing quality

All of this results in a higher resale value, too.

However, considering that other machines in that price range nowadays offer more features, the Silvia seems overpriced. Both are SBDUs, so it'll largely depend on your needs, whether or not you might get happy with any of them. In order to give you good advise on alternatives, you should give us some information first:

1) What kind of drinks do you want to brew?
2) How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time?
3) How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making per day/week?
4) What is your budget for a new machine? Does that also include a grinder? If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

Posted June 8, 2013 link

Thanks for reply, exactly what I wanted to know:-).

1) I like espresso, that's all I use espresso machine for, could be one without a steamer.
2) usually 2-3 doubles/singles at a time
3) I make about 4-10 espressos per day
4)350 euros and here's the twist: I found R-Silvia 18 months old, that comes with Rossi RR45 grinder. The grinder has no hopper and was modified to portionless you put beans into a hole handful at a time.   (I found new set of grinder burrs for it $45, if it needed them)

Now...(please don't laugh), I am starting to feel guilty wanting to get this rig, spending 350 euros (about $460)... will I be able to justify the cost versus results? I am replacing an old Delonghi EC155 espresso machine, (using with it supermarket quality ground vac/pac beans)...

You know what I mean? I think it is a super deal and he's basically giving the grinder for free, so even if I get a used G-classic for 150 euros and grinder for 100-150e, There is 50-100 euros difference...And now beans will cost more, than mediocre ground coffee (eventually I want to roast my own, I've done it before-loved it).
On the positive side if I can make great espresso for my wife, friends and myself where results justify the cost...then everything is the best of all possible worlds...
Now you can see my dilemma...lol
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NobbyR
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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 3:46am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

Having to choose between the Silvia and the Classic, I'd always opt for the Silvia, and I'd always equip it with a PID.

 
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D4F
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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 9:40am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

Either machine should be fine depending on what your budget.  In US, a new Classic is about $399 shipped and occasionally $375 and even $350.  Silvia about $640.  I use a Gaggia Classic and it works great.  I have a PID and multiple shots are not a problem.  All SBDU type machines suffer a bit time wise switching from steaming back to brew.  The small boiler and high power of the Classic can work to its favor.  The thread below explains that, and "how to" PID.  The PID can add heat during brew, help stop intrashot drop, and have the machine ready for the next brew more quickly.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/571792

Intrashot stability

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sluei1-IkTw

If I got either machine at about the same price then probably Silvia as NobbyR stated.  At the usual Silvia price there other machines to consider, but that is based on US price, and machine and parts availability.  At $600 to $700 the used market is good for various machines here making Silvia less recommended.

 
D4F also at
http://www.gaggiausersgroup.com/
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faster
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Espresso: Rancillio Silvia-PID
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Roaster: Homemade drum roaster
Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 2:45pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

Thank you for your input

I decided to go with the  Rancillio Silvia and Rossi RR45 grinder...that I got for $460:-)

Silvia is V.3 18 months old.
I found the replacement burrs for $45 and will get them as they are getting harder to find.

Cheers
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brianl
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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 3:36pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

I find the silivia to be very outdated for it's price and a very finicky machine. You can PID a gaggia before you even get to the price of the PIDless Silvia.

Since you did get a silvia, I recommend putting a PID on it ASAP. temp surfing is fun only so long.
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D4F
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Posted Sat Jun 8, 2013, 6:12pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

faster Said:

 I decided to go with the  Rancillio Silvia and Rossi RR45 grinder...that I got for $460:-)  

Posted June 8, 2013 link

That sounds like a good deal, enjoy :)

 
D4F also at
http://www.gaggiausersgroup.com/
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NobbyR
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Posted Sun Jun 9, 2013, 1:33am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia vs. Gaggia Classic
 

faster Said:

I decided to go with the  Rancillio Silvia and Rossi RR45 grinder.

Posted June 8, 2013 link

Congrats! Have fun with your new set-up.

 
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Espresso: Rancillio Silvia-PID
Grinder: Rossi RR45
Roaster: Homemade drum roaster
Posted Sun Jun 9, 2013, 7:29am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia...bit disappointed, help please
 

So I just came back with the Suilvia, set it all up made a few cups and I am bummed out, it seems to make worse espresso than Delonghi ec155...

Is it possible?!?!

What I am NOT getting is a nice foam, (crema), coffee seems too watery, less foam than my old machine.

I ground beans on pretty fine setting, 14 grams per double, water runs out normally (maybe too quickly?)  and when I finish, inside the basket is water on top of coffee grounds?
Why aren't the grounds dry? All the water pushed out? Is that normal?

The grinder is old, RR45- how long does it take you guys to grind a 14 gram portion? The grinder has no hopper, so I put a handful of beans at a time, and they jump around, because there is no "weight" on them...Wouldn't it be better if there were beans pushing on beans, or does it matter?...

So what's going on, what am I doing wrong? Should I clean it/descale?

TIA
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