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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 8:07am
Subject: Saeco 2000 home espresso machine - info needed
 

Hello everyone!  I'm fairly new to this whole espresso culture, and to coffeegeek.com.  The info accumulated here is staggering, and has been very helpful in answering many of my questions in my quest for that perfect shot.  Thank you.

Just found this listing in the local CL - http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/app/3835312986.html

A google search has produced absolutely nothing about this machine.  Anyone have any info at all? Age? Reliablility? Portafilter size and type?  Maybe a pdf of a manual?

Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 8:32am
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Quick Google search results:
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/477114
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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 8:44am
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Hi takeshi.  

I have already seen this thread, and unfortunately, the machine in question is not a saeco BAR 2000, but just a SAECO 2000.  If you compare the photos you will see that they are totally different machines.

Thanks for your quick reply though, and I appreciate your efforts.

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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 8:52am
Subject: Re: Saeco 2000 home espresso machine - info needed
 

It is a basic SBDU machine, other than that, all we can do is the same as you, a google search to see what turns up. Often we are able to put the pieces into a logical answer but sometimes we strike out as well with info.

What are your concerns? If it gets hot (proper temp) and pulls shots, that is about all you can ask of the machine. I would GUESS it is a pressurized PF   based on the shape of it.

UPMTEEN bar pressure is advertising hype, brewing is at 9  bar, and should be regulated to that pressure. If it is not then you have too much pressure to brew properly.

An educated guess is that it is the same one in the link above but with a updated case and look.

 
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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 12:22pm
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Hi Dexter, I would agree that the machine is a SBDU older Saeco with 53 mm portafilter and possibly a 6 ounce brass boiler.  I believe that you can pull some nice espresso shots with this machine.  Milk drinks will be more difficult.  It looks to be in nice condition, however, the price might be a little high.  I have seen these sell on Ebay at the $50 level.  If you have specific questions, I will try to respond.
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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 12:58pm
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I recognize that portafilter - it (and the basket shown in the photo included in the old link) is identical to the brass portafilter included with a Krups 882 espresso machine. This also fits my Starbucks Proteo Grande. The Proteo Grande was made by Ferrari (not the car company) and specs out similar to that Saeco 2000 - brass boiler, straight pipe steam wand, and 53mm brass portafilter.

Neither of these machines I have cost a 10th of what the listing asks for and even if I got a decent deal neither would be worth more than $30 - might be stretching it really. That said, the Proteo Grande (and to a lesser extent the Krups too) will make a decent shot once the temp surf part is mastered.

Also worth noting, I bet parts are getting harder to find for these older machines and the Saeco 2000 too...

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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 3:11pm
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Thanks to everyone for all their input, very informative.  

So, a couple more questions....

Is it a pressureized portafilter?  If so, can is be modded out?  

Barlow, you mentioned that milk drinks would be more difficult.  Is that due to a poor wand, or just poor steaming capabilities?

As a point of referance, I am presently using a DeLonghi Bar 140 to make a latte or 2 a day.  I can sometimes get lucky and score a pretty decent shot, and can get fairly decent steamed milk,  sometimes with microfoam, again, if I'm lucky.  Not a bad machine for the $25 it cost me, but the consistancy just isn't there, even with temp surfing, proper grind, and tamping. It has a very small (42 mm) unpressurized portafilter that utilizes an "Automatic Coffee Press" disc, and the largest filter only holds about 11 grams of coffee.

And yes, reliability on the Saeco is also a concern, as it was mentioned that parts supply could be a problem.

I'm just trying to find a decent upgrade on a small budget (really not sure yet if I really wanna go all out on this espresso making lifestyle...  ;) ..), and was wondering if this Saeco might be it.  Or am I better off just staying with what I have?
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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 5:42pm
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Based on the number of switches (3) it has, it is a very simple SBDU with out a three-way valve. The bottom of the boiler has just a spring-loaded check valve to make steaming possible. It is one of the better disposable machines, maybe worth a couple hundred dollars new. With the pump and boiler being old and used, I would advise against spending $150 on it as it will probably soon cost you at least $45 for a new pump.  If it were in like new condition, the original owner wouldn't be getting rid of it.  Just my two cents. It could be in great shape and worth almost $150, but gambling on little/disposable machines means that if the boiler leaks next week or the pump is on its way out, it is worth nothing.  The $150 investment + $45 for a pump, plus your time or $75 for a technician's time is more than the cost of a new disposable.
I could be wrong, it could be in great shape but it's a heck of an ante for a gamble.
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Posted Thu May 30, 2013, 3:10am
Subject: Re: Saeco 2000 home espresso machine - info needed
 

dex138 Said:

Thanks to everyone for all their input, very informative.  

So, a couple more questions....

Is it a pressureized portafilter?  If so, can is be modded out?

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No, it is unpressurized.

dex138 Said:

Barlow, you mentioned that milk drinks would be more difficult.  Is that due to a poor wand, or just poor steaming capabilities?

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Not Barlow, but it should steam as good as your Bar 140, maybe a little better.

dex138 Said:

As a point of referance, I am presently using a DeLonghi Bar 140 to make a latte or 2 a day.  I can sometimes get lucky and score a pretty decent shot, and can get fairly decent steamed milk,  sometimes with microfoam, again, if I'm lucky.  Not a bad machine for the $25 it cost me, but the consistancy just isn't there, even with temp surfing, proper grind, and tamping. It has a very small (42 mm) unpressurized portafilter that utilizes an "Automatic Coffee Press" disc, and the largest filter only holds about 11 grams of coffee.

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I can get 13 grams in this (same as Saeco 2000) basket - any more and I see shower screen impressions on the puck. Not much more than your current machine.

dex138 Said:

I'm just trying to find a decent upgrade on a small budget (really not sure yet if I really wanna go all out on this espresso making lifestyle...  ;) ..), and was wondering if this Saeco might be it.  Or am I better off just staying with what I have?

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Keep using the Bar 140 unless the seller will take $40 or less. If not, then keep looking...

 
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Posted Thu May 30, 2013, 6:58am
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I think I would wait on this one.  I think you can get a refurbished Saeco Aroma (essentially the updated version of the machine pictured) for about $160.  This machine is in the class with Saeco Aroma, Saeco Via Venezia, Starbucks Barista etc.  They usually go for $40-$100 used.


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