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timatkaleo
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 9:09am
Subject: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

I want the best shot and steamed milk combo for $300(ish). My preference is higher for the quality of the shot than the microfoam, but I desire both.

Options:
A) Bellman + Mypressi
B) Gaggia or Silvia etc?
C) Manual (used La Pavoni?)
D) Something else?

Has anyone compared the shots between these classes?

What I DONT care about:
I have a good grinder.
New, used -- dont care.
Hassle? Learning curve? Don't care- I can learn.
I DONT need to make beverage after beverage. Maybe two in a row max, but just one could work.
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 11:02am
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

Sorry to come off a little harsh but let us decide on your grinder please, a lot of people come here and have a $45 Cuisinart "burr" grinder and think it is good, which it isn't.

Some higher quality grinders are great for other than espresso but are sorely lacking when the shots start to flow.

So, Please, what grinder do you have, that will help a lot in getting you where you want to go as inexpensively as possibly.

 
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timatkaleo
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 11:31am
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

grinder is Baratza Encore. (Also have a Hario slim but prolly wouldnt use that)
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 1:10pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

Thank you.
I am not familiar with any of the had crank grinders, I just don't use them so I will not say anything about it but the Encore falls into the great for other than espresso grinding group.

If you wish to use it for espresso, or espresso like drinks, you will need to stick to something with a pressurized porta filter.

Sadly, the Mypressi is out of production, I have one of the last still in a box I think LOL, it is just waiting for me to get around to using it and it may be some time as I have several machines and really don't need it, I bought it on a lark and, well, sometimes we do stuff that does make good logic. I want to hang on to it as they are no more though.

Silvia is out of your price range, even used.

The manual machines also tent to be priced out of your price.

If you want new, you are looking at something like the Saeco Aroma, in white or black they are $199, SS is out of your budget.
Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com)

It is a very basic but solid machine.

The Saeco Via Venezia comes in at $299. and I think it is in SS at this price.
Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com)

Keep an eye on our BST forum, a Venezia with a LOT of extra goodies is for sale for $233
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/628677

All of the above have a pressurized PF so you will be able to use the grinder you have.

 
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CMIN
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 1:46pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

Encore is a great grinder, for anything non-espresso... not capable of espresso grinding even though it says so. It will only work with lower end machines with pressurized portafilters (which is pry what they mean by saying it can grind for espresso). If you use a non-pressurized portafilter you'll end up with gushing under-extracted shots. The flip side is a pressurized portafilter can pull a shot with a non capable grinder, however it doesn't resemble real espresso at all, fake crema and the shot itself is more like drip (doesn't have that body or mouthfeel of a real shot).

You could see if you could sell the Encore or trade in at Baratza and put towards a Preciso.

You could though get the regular Aroma and use that, and if you get a better grinder down the road you could use a regular portafilter instead of the pressurized one, no 3 way valve on the machine, but for just starting out on a low budget it's a good place to start at.
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timatkaleo
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 5:13pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

Lets say I upgrade my grinder and still have $300-400 to play with (I just dont want to get into the 700+ range).

Have you been on ebay lately and looked at the completed listings for used espresso machines? There seem to be several used lever, Gaggia, Silvia etc. that are in my range. More than one Silvia went for $300 recently.  Also I can still find Mypressi for sale.

Which one would pull the best shot assuming an ideal grinder?

I don't even know which "class" is better at my price: semi-auto, portable, or manual.

Thanks guys for your input this is helpful.
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 5:16pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

p.s. I want real espresso and decent microfoam (assuming I can get that at less than $500)
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 7:19pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

timatkaleo Said:

p.s. I want real espresso and decent microfoam (assuming I can get that at less than $500)

Posted May 23, 2013 link

Well, about half of your $500 will get you the Pharos hand-grinder, made in Idaho.  It has titan-class burrs that will keep your espresso or whatever happy for a long time.

With the $250 left, you can look for a used lever machine or save up for a better semi-auto.

Good luck.

 
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

The story of the Bellman exploding and flying around like a rocket on the HB forums scared me away from it....
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timatkaleo
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 8:49pm
Subject: Re: Battle of Classes: Gaggia vs. Mypressi/Bellman vs. Lever  ???
 

Clarification: My question is more about the espresso machine than the grinder. I have a separate budget for the grinder and will consider that choice carefully.

I have 300-400 for the espresso machine. Assuming my grinder is awesome, would you go with a semi-auto, manual, portable, or what? Are the shots all the same quality?
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