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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 6:24pm
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Hi Stephany,
  I was thinking that being new you may not have a good understanding of the differences in the types of machines. I remembered a post not too long ago by JasonBrandtLewis giving a good basic description of the machines so I went and found it for you, since I think he explained it probably better than I could. Hope Jason doesn't mind my quote-

"Single Boiler/Dual Use:  SBDU machines are the most common consumer model machines.  Basically, it utilizes one boiler with two settings -- one for brewing espresso; the other, higher setting for steaming milk.  In other to make a latte, for example, you have to wait for the machine to cycle from one setting to the other.  (Think of it as a room heater with two settings, Hi and Lo, and you don't want it to be in the middle, so you have to wait for it to warm up to Hi from the lower setting/wait for it to cool down to Lo from the higher setting.)

Heat Exchanger:  An HX machine utilizes one boiler as well, but this is always set to the higher, steam temperature.  Cool water is drawn in, either from a reservoir (if it's a self-contained pourover model) or from a water line (if it's designed to be plumbed directly into the water supply), and that water is then flash heated to brewing temperature as it passes through the hot water.  These machines are, and have been, the dominant machine worldwide in cafés and in "prosumer" models for years.  These models not only permit the brewing of espresso and the steaming of milk at the same time (think busy café), but will -- generally speaking -- produce drinks of a higher quality than an SBDU machine.

Double Boiler:  DB machines have two boilers, as the name obviously suggests.  One is set to brewing temperature; the other set to steaming temperature.  There is no difference in terms of the quality of the coffee one gets from a DB versus an HX; each class has its own advantages and disadvantages, and it's more -- I think -- a matter of personal preference and pride-of-ownership than anything else.  One thing is for certain:  DB's cost more $$$$."

The thermoblock machines are a relatively new kind of SBDU that uses a separate heating block for steam making the transition between pulling a shot and steaming quicker than a standard SBDU.

If you've been studying a lot you may have already known all this, if not I hope it helps a bit.

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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 7:00pm
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Stephany Said:

@fredk
    Thanks for the rec
@strawberrykoi
    I'm definitely not geeky Enough for a machine that costs more than a small, used car. I have kids to put through college. ; )      

Posted May 16, 2013 link

Haha! I have two kids myself. But I don't shop a lot or buy cosmetics or typical frivolous things... I saved my money by selling vintage dresses online and taking commission web designs. It didnt take long for me to get my Duetto, and I'm happy I made the leap... I've saved myself money by skipping the upgrade process, plus I never go to starbucks anymore ;)
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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 7:03pm
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I've been getting more familiar with those terms. The only one I wasn't sure of was the thermoblock, but I've been looking that up today, too. If I'm right, it's kind of like the "new"on-demand hot water heaters that heat water as you use them. (Can't for the life of me remember what they're called, tho).
    Anyway, I have seen many ravers for the cc1 machine in this (and other) threads. Can anyone speak to the following: my research says it's 15inches wide...seems kind of large. He well does its temp control work? Why do you all like it so much? And I'll be honest, the aesthete in me is not charged up for its Mr. Coffee presence. I ask these questions because I am seriously considering it at this point.

Or maybe I should just go the gaggia route... Sigh why is it so hard????? The last time I bought a machine there was one option, and I was happy, damn it!!!!  (Can I say damn it on here? Sorry if I can't.)

Xoxo and thanks for all the hand holding,
Stephany
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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 8:44pm
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Here is a very good blog post on the CC1s temperature stability.  It is good.
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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 10:11pm
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fredk01 Said:

Here is a very good blog post on the CC1s temperature stability.  It is good.

Posted May 16, 2013 link

temp stability is actually really good, the group piece was changed to a dense plastic vs the brass piece before that would zap heat, new one lets the water through with very little thermal loss.
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 3:30pm
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Thanks for the cc1 specs.
    Okay, I feel I am getting much closer!
    I really like the functionality of the cc1, but I'm hung up on . . . Oh, I'll just say it ...looks. How shallow! I feel like the CEO of Abercrombie right now. I've been looking at other machines I've seen the cc1 compared to...the pasquini livietta, the quick mill silvano...all are a few hundred more than the cc1. Ack! But they're pretty. Am I missing any other cc1 comparisons that are pretty but more in the cc1 price range? Or am i going to have to make a decision about how much I think looks are worth? Can you make me feel better by saying those other machines have something worth that extra money? (Or am I missing something entirely?)

Shallowly yours,
Stephany
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 4:36pm
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Stephany Said:

Thanks for the cc1 specs.
    Okay, I feel I am getting much closer!
    I really like the functionality of the cc1, but I'm hung up on . . . Oh, I'll just say it ...looks. How shallow! I feel like the CEO of Abercrombie right now. I've been looking at other machines I've seen the cc1 compared to...the pasquini livietta, the quick mill silvano...all are a few hundred more than the cc1. Ack! But they're pretty. Am I missing any other cc1 comparisons that are pretty but more in the cc1 price range? Or am i going to have to make a decision about how much I think looks are worth? Can you make me feel better by saying those other machines have something worth that extra money? (Or am I missing something entirely?)

Shallowly yours,
Stephany

Posted May 17, 2013 link

Lol!

The  Silvano is built by a company that has a long standing quality reputation, It will steam and pull shots at the same time while the CC1 can only do one or the other. The Pasuini ( if I looked up the correct machine) has two thermo blocks and can steam and brew at the same time. A NS Oscar HX machine as well as the La Cudra are also in the same price range, less bells and whistles but can handle multiple drinks in a row with out missing a beat.
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 8:50pm
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Stephany Said:

. . . Oh, I'll just say it ...looks. How shallow! I feel like the CEO of Abercrombie right now. I've been looking at other machines I've seen the cc1 compared to...the pasquini livietta, the quick mill silvano...all are a few hundred more than the cc1. Ack! But they're pretty. ..

Posted May 17, 2013 link

Momma always told me, don't get suckered by them pretty eyes... :-)

Only you can decide what looks are worth.  The CC1 is in a class of its own.  It offers a lot of value for its price.  I don't happen to mind the look of the CC1, but then, my place is not going to win any interior decorating awards either.
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 5:43am
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When did buying an espresso machine become so philosophical?
    Does anyone else want to weigh in before I pull the trigger on this?
    I forgot to mention in my last post a concern about the cc1, so I'll put it here to add to the discussion: the reservoir seems inconveniently placed...in the video demo I watched it took some gymnastics to get it out, fill it, and replace it. While it being in front makes it easy to see the water level, I could imagine myself, in a caffeine-deprived frenzy, breaking something. Te Silvano's is right on the side, looks pretty simple. Te livietta's I'm not quite sure.

Okay, last call for advice, opinions, helpful links, Etc. then you're all coming over for coffee once I get the machine.
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 7:24am
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Perhaps you should consider the used Salvatore that is for sale in the 'Members' "Buy & Sell' area of this forum.

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