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BrandonPHX
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Joined: 14 May 2013
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Location: Phoenix
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 11:17pm
Subject: Newb in need of purchase advice
 

I'm looking at buying an espresso machine and I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the choices. Was hoping to get some help.

Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
- Mostly espresso and americanos, maybe the occasional mixed drink.

2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
- normally no more than 2. Perhaps occasionally up to 3 or 4 if people are visiting, but most my family and friends aren't coffee drinkers. So more than 2 would be rare.

3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
- 7 to 10. Mainly just needing this for my own morning drinks.

4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?
- need a reservoir

5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
- standard only.

6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?  
- I'd like to keep it under $1,200 for machine and grinder combined.

I've done a bit of looking around and was thinking about something like a Crossland CC1 and Vario grinder , since I can get the combo for about $1,000. I don't know if this is the best option in that price range though. There are several places in town to get fresh roasted beans, so I'm hoping I can make good espresso at this price point.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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calblacksmith
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calblacksmith
Joined: 25 Nov 2007
Posts: 7,775
Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A.
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 3:58am
Subject: Re: Newb in need of purchase advice
 

Brandon take a deep breath and relax lol.

It looks like you have done some basic research and that's a good thing. The general advice is to buy as much Grinder as you can afford and then look at your machine. The grinder is what makes your spresso the machine is the accessory to the grinder. In the sub $500 range for botth, spend about 50 /50 grinder machine. As your budget goes up, the ratio goes down, at your price point  think 40/60  or so grinder/machine. Like all things, there is a sweet spot and once you get to the $450 or so range in the grinder, the gains in quality slow down as the price goes up.

In machines, my PERSONAL point of view, that point is about $1200. This gets you into well built, high stability, higher abilities machines. Ones that can take care of dinner parties easily with high quality all around. This range of machines leaves the SBDU Rrelm behind and you are looking at Oscars and up.



Your choices in the CC one and the vario grinder, that you have looked at so far, are good ones and they're likely the same machine that you would be recommended to buy.

With the low volume that you have the only problems you might run into our that way you have people over it will take you longer  to make your drinks. Sometimes you will have first person served finished with their drink before the last one gets theirs but if you can live with that then you're going to be doing fine.

 
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Burner0000
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Joined: 28 Jul 2011
Posts: 1,082
Location: Cambridge, Ontario Canada
Expertise: Professional

Espresso: Rancilio Silvia, VFA Expres...
Grinder: Macap MX/VFA N1464/Kyocera...
Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 8:35am
Subject: Re: Newb in need of purchase advice
 

BrandonPHX Said:

I'm looking at buying an espresso machine and I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the choices. Was hoping to get some help.

Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
- Mostly espresso and americanos, maybe the occasional mixed drink.

2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
- normally no more than 2. Perhaps occasionally up to 3 or 4 if people are visiting, but most my family and friends aren't coffee drinkers. So more than 2 would be rare.

3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
- 7 to 10. Mainly just needing this for my own morning drinks.

4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?
- need a reservoir

5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
- standard only.

6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?  
- I'd like to keep it under $1,200 for machine and grinder combined.

I've done a bit of looking around and was thinking about something like a Crossland CC1 and Vario grinder , since I can get the combo for about $1,000. I don't know if this is the best option in that price range though. There are several places in town to get fresh roasted beans, so I'm hoping I can make good espresso at this price point.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Posted May 14, 2013 link

Personally I think the CC1 + Vario is a great choice.  I won't exceed what you are making with My Silvia and it handles things fine without a PID.  The CC1 is the next best thing in the price range.
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emradguy
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emradguy
Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Posts: 3,113
Location: Houston
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 10:40am
Subject: Re: Newb in need of purchase advice
 

+ (another) 1 on the CC1 + Vario combo.

 
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BrandonPHX
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Joined: 14 May 2013
Posts: 4
Location: Phoenix
Expertise: I like coffee

Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 10:15am
Subject: Re: Newb in need of purchase advice
 

Thanks for the advice everyone! Sounds like I'm making the right choice with the CC1 and Vario.
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CMIN
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Joined: 14 Jun 2012
Posts: 1,375
Location: South FL
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Crossland CC1
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 1:10pm
Subject: Re: Newb in need of purchase advice
 

Can't beat the CC1 and Vario for $ in that price range.
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