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Espresso: Graef ES 85
Grinder: Graef CM 80
Posted Thu May 9, 2013, 2:04pm
Subject: Graef ES 85 with Graef CM 80

I just bought a really nice espresso machine! I got the Graef ES 85 and it came with the CM 80 grinder.  I then went to get a nice brand of coffee - I got the Hausbrandt coffee from a barista coffee shop.  So I started giving the espresso machine a try and so far I cannot get the pressure to the level that it should be yet. I'm a little frustrated with it.

I grind the coffee beans at a "fine" level with the grinder.
The espresso went into the filter basket and I stopped half-way and pressed it down and then continued to fill it up and then press it once more. I used the finger method to push the ground espresso around so that it fills nicely and then I press it down nicely. However, the ground espresso just doesn't feel fine enough for some reason. When I see videos online it seems when they press it down, it really sets nicely.

Then I warm up the espresso machine and do an initial run through of water to make sure its clean.

Then I lock in the handle and press the 2-shot button. I've only been able to have the pressure gauge move to the "gray" colored area, but the document says I should be getting to the orange color area on the machine for optimized pressure. Ugh, no chance it seems. The espresso is just ok, but not great yet. It pours out too fast in my opinion - I cannot get that slow molasses-style dark brown feeling yet. I just don't understand what else I can change.

Can anyone help? I have read a lot of stuff online but at this point I need some help.

By the way, I noticed I can also tell the machine what level of water-hardness I am using. I bought some still-water from the grocery store... so not sure if water-hardness affects my situation but I feel it's the grind, not sure.  The grinder just cannot go any finer.

I live in Munich, Germany.. just FYI.
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Posted Thu May 9, 2013, 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Graef ES 85 with Graef CM 80

I had the Krups rebrand of that grinder. You might google Graef CM 80 or Sunbeam EM0480 grinder mod. There is a tutorial on how to shim the blades to bring them closer together. I did this while I had mine and it worked ok. It chokes and clogs pretty easily and it's a pain to take apart, but if you don't do the mod, there's little hope it will grind suitably for espresso (ie. fine enough).

Here's a video from someone here or from home barista who used one on a Commercial machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz-LVMV3Tn8

Looks like he modded his.
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