Posted Wed May 8, 2013, 8:47am Subject: Re: Giotto Problem
The ECM is a HX machine. if you get steam in the "preinfusion" lever position it means that there is not enough water in the HX and it is overheating. Causes: - Low water level in boiler - Too high boiler temperature/pressure - Leak in HX system - Leaking back through the brew solenoid under pressure of heating
If seals are leaking in the group or if a fitting is leaking slowly, water can slowly escape the HX loop and can vaporize and you will not see it dripping anywhere. Are there any crusty areas inside the machine (at pipe fittings, for example) from scale deposits.
timmangan Senior Member Joined: 17 Nov 2012 Posts: 44 Location: Michigan Expertise: Just starting
Posted Wed May 8, 2013, 9:26am Subject: Re: Giotto Problem
hmmm, there seems to be ater in the boiler, but I will double check. Everytime i raise the lever to pull a shot the pump goes on, would that mean that water is coming straight from the resoivor to the brew head, without drawing from water in the resoivour (cant spell)?
There doesnt seem to be any leaks at all, no water coming out from anywhere that i could see when it was apart.
No crusty spots.
How do i adjust the boiler temperature? and what temp should it be at?
calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 7,864 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32 Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major Vac Pot: 40s era Silex Drip: Msl. Com. brewers Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu May 9, 2013, 11:20am Subject: Re: Giotto Problem
The proper temp is set by you but typically it is in the 1.1 to 1.5 bar range. This puts the steam boiler to just above boiling to about 240 or more F. If you do a LOT of shots at the same time, bump the temp up, if it is just one double every now and then, you can set it lower but ALWAYS above boiling temp. The temp is read in BAR, so like I said, 1.1 to about 1.5 bar.
The HX tube runs through the steam boiler so if you are not pulling shots one after the next then the water in the HX tube will become the same temp as the water in the steam boiler or above boiling so when you do let the water flow out of the HX system, you will get steam once the pressure is reduced and 240F water does it's thing. That is why you need to flush the water out of the system, so that the HX is at the proper rate of flow to heat the water properly.
Every machine needs to be flushed so the old complaint about HX flush is really moot. Nearly all DB machines need a WARMING flush and EVERY machine needs the spent grounds flushed from the group head and screens before pulling a shot.
In real life, my name is Wayne P. Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!
Feed the newbs, starve the trolls and above all enjoy what you drink!
Symbols: = New Posts since your last visit = No New Posts since last visit = Newest post
Forum Rules: No profanity, illegal acts or personal attacks will be tolerated in these discussion boards. No commercial posting of any nature will be tolerated; only private sales by private individuals, in the "Buy and Sell" forum. No SEO style postings will be tolerated. SEO related posts will result in immediate ban from CoffeeGeek. No cross posting allowed - do not post your topic to more than one forum, nor repost a topic to the same forum. Who Can Read The Forum? Anyone can read posts in these discussion boards. Who Can Post New Topics? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post new topics. Who Can Post Replies? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post replies. Can Photos be posted? Anyone can post photos in their new topics or replies. Who can change or delete posts? Any CoffeeGeek member can edit their own posts. Only moderators can delete posts. Probationary Period: If you are a new signup for CoffeeGeek, you cannot promote, endorse, criticise or otherwise post an unsolicited endorsement for any company, product or service in your first five postings.