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Features/consistency vs. traditional HX
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hjkelly
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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Espresso: Nuova Simonelli Oscar
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Aeropress
Posted Wed May 8, 2013, 2:22pm
Subject: Re: Features/consistency vs. traditional HX
 

calblacksmith Said:

Pre infusion, in a machine with E61 is passive and mechanical, you get it every time you make a shot so I am not sure where your questions came from.

Posted May 8, 2013 link

I'm starting to see your point... because of how HX works, your temperature's gonna be about 100% consistent across the shot, so who cares if it's 205F instead of 202F? I was picturing that I'd be able to zero in my grind, temp, and timings, and just churn out identical shots until I switch coffees.

Do you guys have any opinion on how the Oscar compares to the La Nuova Era Cuadra or Cuadra II, which is able to do controlled pre-infusion and has the E61 brewgroup?

 
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Espresso: N S Oscar
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Posted Wed May 8, 2013, 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Features/consistency vs. traditional HX
 

New, I would probably get the La Nuova because of the price, vacuum valve and put it on a timer and I think it is prettier than Oscar.  Used, I have not seen that many La Nuovas show up but a lot of Oscars.  I have spent just about $300 in parts (that includes the pump I had to replace when I got it) to trick out Oscar like musica.  If you don't factor in time I think I got a musica for less than the La Nuova new.  So, I think my Oscar is now better than a new La Nuova.  However, I had to work to make that so.  Stock set ups, I would think in the cup I probably could not really tell them apart.  But I have not tested that and I really don't have a way too.  I think either one is a good starter machine.

Really, once you get used to the machine in your house, its looks are a non issue.  I notice how it looks about as much as I notice my microwave, that is to say not at all unless it needs to be cleaned. My kitchen has a black fronted oven and dishwasher and I hate cleaning fingerprints off stainless.  The Oscar doesn't look bad at all in my kitchen.  But my taste runs to rustic and industrial, or I guess eclectic is probably better way to say it......  And in such a small kitchen I like that it has no burn sides.  If I had a huge coffee bar I would probably not care, but right now it is by the toaster and I can see me burning myself on it....

 
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Espresso: La Nuova Era Cuadra/Gaggia...
Grinder: Baratza Preciso/K-A Pro...
Drip: Bonavita BV 1800 TH
Roaster: Nesco 1010/Behmor 1600
Posted Wed May 8, 2013, 7:58pm
Subject: Re: Features/consistency vs. traditional HX
 

If you can find a better machine for the price than the La Cuadra buy it. Second choice would be Oscar. Its also important to buy it from someone who will be here in ten years.
There are so many great choices these days,good luck.
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