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Coffeenoobie
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Posted Sun Apr 28, 2013, 9:44pm
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I am not bashing the machine or trying to pick a fight. I stand by my concisely stated reasons and rationale for not personally recommending the BDB and I will not drawn into a debate this machine, it has been covered ad nauseum by many other threads.  

If the original poster is interested I suggest he Google them.  The search function here is very hit or miss.

 
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Posted Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:21pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

I am not bashing the machine or trying to pick a fight.

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If your comments are not bashing, then I don't know what bashing is.  No one has said anything negative about your choices, but you have said plenty about a machine that you clearly know little about.
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Posted Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:28pm
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Iluvdabean - I've drank espresso only on occasion for many years and in many parts of the world.  I've always enjoyed it as much or more than coffee but have generally had more access to coffee at work, etc.  I never really got into local coffee shops just because sitting at the shop isn't really my thing or never really appealed to me.  If I get coffee out somewhere I'll take it to go from mediocre coffee places in the buildings I work in or starbucks.  I've only recently tried it at McDonalds just to check that off the list and to see what a superautomatic is capable of.  Once I realized home espresso is possible I decided to purchase a machine so I can make drinks on weekdays in the morning before work as well as in the afternoon or evening, and to enjoy on the weekends all morning or whenever I have guests over.
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:33am
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donner Said:

200 degrees is 200 degrees.

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...until it makes contact with something that is not 200 degrees.  That's what thermal mass and stability addresses.

Maybe the three heating elements of the BDB address this and take care of it adequately?  Not something I know about...but it's worth looking into if for anyone in the market for a machine who's considering the BDB.  

Why would the machine shut off and prevent you from pulling shots when the temp drops a couple of degrees?  This seems like a great opportunity to compare two shots of a coffee side by side at slightly different temperatures.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 3:15pm
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emradguy Said:

...until it makes contact with something that is not 200 degrees.  That's what thermal mass and stability addresses.

Maybe the three heating elements of the BDB address this and take care of it adequately?  Not something I know about...but it's worth looking into if for anyone in the market for a machine who's considering the BDB.  

Why would the machine shut off and prevent you from pulling shots when the temp drops a couple of degrees?  This seems like a great opportunity to compare two shots of a coffee side by side at slightly different temperatures.

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The thermal stability seems to be very good with this machine.  Thermal mass?  Compared to what?  It does have two boilers filled with water, and it has a solid, heavy group head.  The third heating element at the group head adds additional temperature control and predictability to go along with the PID control systems.  The three heating elements appear well matched to the other characteristics of the machine.

The only time one has to wait (it really is only a few seconds) is after pulling several cups of hot water out of the brew boiler for americanos, or tea, etc.  One can probably pull espresso shots all day long without having to wait.  Waiting those few seconds after dispensing hot water allows the systems to again reach the preset temperatures is to optimize the quality of the next espresso shot.  One can easily adjust the brew temperature up or down to suit one's taste if one wants to experiment with different temperature shots.

I may be starting to sound like a Breville salesperson - maybe they will decide to hire me ;)  Seriously, I was just pleased to find the BDB - the BDB's features combined with the relatively low price made the buying decision easy.
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 3:36pm
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So, Mr. Breville salesman, care to sell me on the dual boiler vs an equivalently priced E61?
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 4:05pm
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Bgranger Said:

So, Mr. Breville salesman, care to sell me on the dual boiler vs an equivalently priced E61?

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I don't know of an equivalently priced E61, although there may be some.  New BDBs have been selling for less than $1000, even as low as $700.  I noticed one or two new ones on Kijiji Montreal for $900 the other day.

Before buying the BDB, I had ordered a Vibiemme double boiler.  I was disappointed when the seller repeatedly missed the ship date, which led to a loss of confidence in the dealer and cancellation of the order.  It would have looked nice on the counter.  While I was considering a number of other more expensive machines, I came across the BDB.  A little quick research showed that there are lots of happy owners out there.
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 5:41pm
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If I won the lotto I would get a lever machine Londinium ($2-3k) that needs almost no maintenance, it is way out of OP stated budget (and mine) but it is pure simple machine that people are replacing $6k machines (G/S 3) with:

http://londiniumespresso.com/collections/espresso-equipment

Less electronics and more thermal mass and very few moving parts for very old school espresso that old G/S 3 owners are raving about.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 7:28pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

If I won the lotto I would get a lever machine Londinium ($2-3k) that needs almost no maintenance, it is way out of OP stated budget (and mine) but it is pure simple machine that people are replacing $6k machines (G/S 3) with:

http://londiniumespresso.com/collections/espresso-equipment

Less electronics and more thermal mass and very few moving parts for very old school espresso that old G/S 3 owners are raving about.

Posted April 29, 2013 link

Is this machine even available? Where do you go to purchase it... I don't see any options for purchasing on the site :/
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Posted Mon Apr 29, 2013, 7:32pm
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yes one got to FL in 24 hours just the other day. You just click the name, it is not clear it is a link.  I played with it just a few months ago.  It is really amazing.

http://londiniumespresso.com/products/londinium-i

 
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