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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 5:40pm
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mrpink Said:

Is there a real owner's BDB thread elsewhere that I don't know about?

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theres a thread on coffeesnobs.au... Its an australian site that is like CG..
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 7:27pm
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hi everyone

let me just clarify, will the vst basket fit in the stock pf? or i have to get the naked portafilter to use the vst basket?
im thinking of getting the 15g vst

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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 9:11pm
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carz07 Said:

hi everyone

let me just clarify, will the vst basket fit in the stock pf? or i have to get the naked portafilter to use the vst basket?
im thinking of getting the 15g vst

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Fits fine. So does the 18g basket.You will be fine.

Enjoy it!
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 11:16pm
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PrescottCR Said:

Fits fine. So does the 18g basket.You will be fine.

Enjoy it!

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do you recommend 18g rather than the 15g?
will the logic work on i can dose 15g on a 18g basket and still works like a 15g basket?
im talking about straight wall not ridged

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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 2:26am
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correct me if im wrong, 18g can not serve as a 15g basket since its about the distance from the shower screen

thus 15g for 15g and 18g for 18g and so on

which do you recommend for a double?
i mean commonly its 14g using the 7g
but the breville recom is 18g for a double using the stock ridged basket
but since the usage of the vst straight wall how will this be with the dose?

 
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 7:52am
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carz07 Said:

correct me if im wrong, 18g can not serve as a 15g basket since its about the distance from the shower screen

thus 15g for 15g and 18g for 18g and so on

which do you recommend for a double?
i mean commonly its 14g using the 7g
but the breville recom is 18g for a double using the stock ridged basket
but since the usage of the vst straight wall how will this be with the dose?

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I think what he was asking- would I recommend the 18g over the 15g basket. VST sells them in 15, 18, 20, and 22g sizes. As well as a 7g which I'm getting with a 40mm tamp base (which I had to get elsewhere!).

I suspect you're right about putting the right dose in and spacing, to a point. The VST tamp base has 3 lines on it, for dosing their baskets. Same idea with the line on the Breville tamper. According to the PDF, the correct dose for each basket is anywhere from 1g under to 1g over the rating on the basket. Not all coffee packs the same, and I think there is some wiggle room thus the three lines on the tamp base. I could be wrong there.

OH, I forgot to mention- Some Breville PFs had a black plastic insert inside. I know the VSTs fit a Breville PF without that insert. I didn't have one in my PF when I bought my machines.

Keep in mind- the Breville baskets are VERY GOOD. In fact, some say better. The 18g Breville is more forgiving when properly dosed than the VST. VST baskets are harsh critics for some and require a grinder up to the finer grind.

With good beans, it's all good.
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 8:17am
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In the FWIW category, I have both the VST (17g) and I use it when I am experimenting with "stuff" (tamp, charge, etc.). I do find the Breville single wall double basket to be extra forgiving and easier to "control" consistently. I don't see much difference between the two, so, I use the Breville most often.

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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 8:34am
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PrescottCR Said:

Not all coffee packs the same, and I think there is some wiggle room thus the three lines on the tamp base. I could be wrong there.

OH, I forgot to mention- Some Breville PFs had a black plastic insert inside. I know the VSTs fit a Breville PF without that insert. I didn't have one in my PF when I bought my machines.

Keep in mind- the Breville baskets are VERY GOOD. In fact, some say better. The 18g Breville is more forgiving when properly dosed than the VST. VST baskets are harsh critics for some and require a grinder up to the finer grind.

With good beans, it's all good.

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yup different roast has different pack and grind - im still in my journey of hitting things right.

I dont have the black plastic insert so this is just fine

true that the double single wall stock basket is ok, i get dry pack and clean knock, hitting 36g at 32sec but dont drinkable. so just recently i decided to experiment. started 14g and then 15g (i cant tamp to pack with the stock ridged basket but at least im just tamp to polish) and just load the pf ang hit the 30g and man im getting drinkable shots. including preinfusion the shots is around 27sec or less. the drip is a bit running from the usual.

is this usual? because the shot is not sour.

that is why i was thinking of perhaps getting the 15g or 18g vst straight, that why i can actually tamp and perhaps regulate the drip

any thoughts? thanks

 
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 8:44am
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While you're waiting for the VSTs to arrive you can try changing the temp. Why not add another variable to the equation!

I suggest that because sour might be cured with a higher temp. If you really want to burn through some beans there are plenty of variables to play with, grind and pour amount being the two I can see immediately.

But if you're getting good shots at 15g and loving it, then stay there. Why mess with success?

It is an art, and it is also your opinion, so have fun!
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 8:56am
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PrescottCR Said:

While you're waiting for the VSTs to arrive you can try changing the temp. Why not add another variable to the equation!

I suggest that because sour might be cured with a higher temp. If you really want to burn through some beans there are plenty of variables to play with, grind and pour amount being the two I can see immediately.

But if you're getting good shots at 15g and loving it, then stay there. Why mess with success?

It is an art, and it is also your opinion, so have fun!

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the shots are not sour, they are ok

im still at 195F, since i was trying to cure the bitterness (not burned) of the 18g shots

im a bit confused now, although im getting the 30g locked in, its the shot time and i assume there is no good tamp - but still the shot is good

hmmm perhaps i will try the single basket at 15g

 
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