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jonbik
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 4:02pm
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Thank you for telling me about those roasters. I think I will try the fair mountain roasters because the redbird one is in Montana and I am in Virginia. Fair mountain should be fresher. The breville Barista has a conical burr grinder inside. I think I will hold off on buying a new grinder for now. Can you please go to the fair mountain roasters website and pick out one regular and one decaf blend for me?  Should I start using the single walled baskets even if I don't have a superb grinder?
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 4:25pm
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jonbik Said:

Thank you for telling me about those roasters. I think I will try the fair mountain roasters because the redbird one is in Montana and I am in Virginia. Fair mountain should be fresher. The breville Barista has a conical burr grinder inside. I think I will hold off on buying a new grinder for now. Can you please go to the fair mountain roasters website and pick out one regular and one decaf blend for me?  Should I start using the single walled baskets even if I don't have a superb grinder?

Posted April 21, 2013 link

There are tons of roasters online so if you google you can find a bunch as well. But Fair Mountain Coffee is really good, I've had their Bali Blue, Espresso blend, Nicaraguan, and Peru. I think they have 1 or 2 decaf's you can check their site at http://www.fairmountaincoffee.com/coffee_s/74.htm , they do 2lbs shipped for around $27 which is pretty good, you'd have to start going north of 5lbs+ to start seeing bigger discounts at other companies but then you get into another can of worms with storage of that much roasted coffee w/o going stale soon.

You can play with the baskets, ie going as fine as you can with the single wall ones and see if you can pull a decent shot with fresh beans (stale beans are harder and end up more as gushers). I think the burr set of the built in grinders on Breville's is the same as the Smart Grinder but doesn't have the range of adjustment of the Smart Grinder. Never hurts to play around and experiment though lol.

If you want to play more you could even pick up a cheap hand grinder like that Hario Slim (I have one too), like 30 bucks or so on Amazon. But also pick up a digi scale that measures to .1 grams too figure out where your dose is, one I got off amazon was only like 10 bucks.

Another roaster I use is Cafe Don Pablo by me, Costco is one of their largest customers, and they also try to clear inventory within 3 weeks or so so coffee isn't sitting around. But you can see if it's carried by you and figure out when it comes in, or order fresh and shipped for around $20 for 2lbs www.cafedonpablo.com , just ordered their new organic Guatemalan and stopped by and picked it up the other week and was really good.
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 4:33pm
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The smart grinder has the same conical burr as the Barista express. I can toggle between 16 settings on my machine but of course you can do more on the smart grinder. I just placed an order with fair mountain. I got a pound of guatemala and a pound of decaf honduras decaf. Thank you for telling me about them! What dobyou suggest I do while finding the right settings for my machine. I do not want to waste nice coffee! Also, if it takes me 2-3 weeks to go through 2 pounds of beans,  what is the best way to store them. Also, do you have an email that I can reach you at? You seem to know a lot about coffee!
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 5:05pm
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Your location is listed as McLean.  If you me McLean, VA you might want to give Shenandoah Joe's a shot as a roaster.  

Shenandoah Joe's is in Charlottesville and last time I ordered online they roasted the order Monday morning (before 7am) and had it in Monday's mail.  I live in Chesterfield, about 2 hours away, and received the coffee Tuesday.  Can't get much tighter than that.  Several options on espresso blends beside a whole slew of other blends and origins.  

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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 7:19am
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If you can drink it in 2 weeks or so just keep it cool and dry (not the fridge).

Even redbird will be on your door in 3-4 days. All coffee needs 2-3 days to degas.  If you find a local shop it is better to taste it there and if you like it take the beans home and try to match it.  When you are first learning it helps to have 2+ pounds of the same roast to learn on.  When I get 5lbs in I keep out about half pound and freeze the rest in small vacuum ziplock bags about a cup in each bag.  That way it all grinds at the same range for the 2 months or so it takes me to drink the coffee up.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 7:29am
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jonbik Said:

I would like to ask anyone that is familiar with this machine, what settings should i put it on for the single walled baskets?

Posted April 21, 2013 link

Not familiar with your machine but on any grinder you can't just transfer the settings from one to another.  Dialing in a grinder is the same process no matter which grinder you're using and you have to go through it to find the proper setting.

jonbik Said:

I disagree that pressurized baskets make "fake espresso". In some cases, a pressurized basket will make a better shot of espresso than a nonpressurized basket.

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You can disagree all you want but pressurized portafilters exist as an attempt to mitigiate poor grind and stale beans.  That's why they're so common on low end, big box store espresso machines and disappear once you move up.  With fresh, properly ground beans (e.g. all else being equal) a pressurized portafilter and it's faux crema will never make a better shot than a non-pressurized portafilter.  I'm sure you can create conditions under which a pressurized portafilter could produce better espresso but it would require ideal conditions specifically for the pressurized and catastrophic failures with the non-pressurized to do so.

jonbik Said:

Additionally, many cafes that i have been to use Lavazza and Illy coffee and they get great shots out of them.

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And many cafes that don't use Lavazza and Illy's stale beans produce even better shots.  If your experience is limited then cafes using Lavazza and Illy probably seem to produce great shots but your perception will quickly change once you've had more experience with better coffee shops.  "Great" is relative.

jonbik Said:

The breville Barista has a conical burr grinder inside. I think I will hold off on buying a new grinder for now.

Posted April 21, 2013 link

Definitely keep it in mind though.  As we always say, the grinder matters most.  You might want to take a look at this and other similar threads:
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 8:06am
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I thought it was bad to freeze beans.
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 8:11am
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Don't you have trouble storing 5 pounds of beans?
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 9:36am
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I want good beans at a good price, I live in a rural area so I can't just get a bag a week close locally and I like having a large batch to work from.

There is some disagreement about freezing, but I have found it to be very consistent with grind from small bag to small bag and tastes fine to me.  I break it down into small bags and I have a chest freezer that doesn't defrost itself.  So that is the very best place to store them.  Also they are gone in 2 months, 3 at most.  So they are not stored very long.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 11:40am
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I tried a few single walled basket shots. As a cappuccino, it is good, however, when i just brewed the shots, there was very little to no crema. The shot was also very harsh and bitter. Does harshness and bitterness mean under extraction or over extraction? My gauge was in the right range. Did my shot taste bad because of the beans, grind setting, bad tamp, or too much coffee in the portafilter? HELP. so far, the best shots i have gotten are with the pressurized filters... NOT GOOD!
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