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sharky
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sharky
Joined: 9 Jan 2013
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Location: Calgary, AB
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Espresso: QM Vetrano 2B
Grinder: Compak K3 Touch
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:07am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Well, here is an update on the Vetrano 2B . . . I spoke with Chris at CCS who was in touch with Quickmill, Italy.  He said he can get the machine, but it would be in the $2500+/- range.  It would be more for us Canucks as we would need to pay for the shipping, duty, and GST/PST.  For us, it would be around $2800+/-   It looks like a wonderful machine but he said he will not be bringing it to his store, for sale, as he has lots of DB machines.  So for now, it looks like the QM67 is the front runner . . . atleast for me!  YOMV.  I am hoping that DavecUK will be typing up his review on this machine soon . . .
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cuznvin
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: MACAP M4 Stepless /Baratza...
Drip: YouBrew
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:45pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

sharky Said:

Well, here is an update on the Vetrano 2B . . . I spoke with Chris at CCS who was in touch with Quickmill, Italy.  He said he can get the machine, but it would be in the $2500+/- range.  It would be more for us Canucks as we would need to pay for the shipping, duty, and GST/PST.  For us, it would be around $2800+/-   It looks like a wonderful machine but he said he will not be bringing it to his store, for sale, as he has lots of DB machines.  So for now, it looks like the QM67 is the front runner . . . atleast for me!  YOMV.  I am hoping that DavecUK will be typing up his review on this machine soon . . .

Posted April 15, 2013 link

That price doesnt fall in line with the price difference between the QM67 and the Vetrano in the European market.

Lots of DB machines but too many from the same manufacturer without much difference between them.
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sharky
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sharky
Joined: 9 Jan 2013
Posts: 182
Location: Calgary, AB
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: QM Vetrano 2B
Grinder: Compak K3 Touch
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I'm not sure about the exchange rate to know the difference?  These were the numbers Chris gave me over the phone, but he may adjust the price, who knows?  However, there are alot of differences between the new Vetrano 2B and the QM 67.  However, for $2800+/-  and $1000. more than the QM 67, I don't know if I can justify buying it.  It's beautiful and has all the bells & whistles, but running @ 15amp, it will be under-powered.  The voltage will fluctuate back and forth between the brew boiler & steam boiler.  This machine really needs a 20amp plug-in to work to its potential, IMO.  I don't have that option . . .




cuznvin Said:

That price doesnt fall in line with the price difference between the QM67 and the Vetrano in the European market.

Lots of DB machines but too many from the same manufacturer without much difference between them.

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cuznvin
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Location: NY
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: MACAP M4 Stepless /Baratza...
Drip: YouBrew
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

sharky Said:

I'm not sure about the exchange rate to know the difference?  These were the numbers Chris gave me over the phone, but he may adjust the price, who knows?  However, there are alot of differences between the new Vetrano 2B and the QM 67.  However, for $2800+/-  and $1000. more than the QM 67, I don't know if I can justify buying it.  It's beautiful and has all the bells & whistles, but running @ 15amp, it will be under-powered.  The voltage will fluctuate back and forth between the brew boiler & steam boiler.  This machine really needs a 20amp plug-in to work to its potential, IMO.  I don't have that option . . .

Posted April 15, 2013 link

Any machine I buy will be running on 15 amps. Its OK.. Someone else will bring this machine over and it will be his loss. The QM67 runs at 15 amp and isnt under powered.
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Zevi
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Location: Ann Arbor
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Quick Mill Vetrano 2B
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:02pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

cuznvin Said:

That price doesnt fall in line with the price difference between the QM67 and the Vetrano in the European market.

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Actually, I think it does. In my earlier post the estimate was that the 2B will cost about $475+ more than the QM67 (which accounted for the Euro and taxes). This puts it at about $2400. I'd say that Chris' estimated $2500 is close enough. He's probably trying to make a safer estimate, or for whatever reason he cannot shave this extra $100 off the price.
I think your $2200 estimate was a wishful thinking (and believe me, cuz: I was rooting for you!)

As for myself, that resolves my "maybe get the 2B" conflict, and I'm back to consider the QM67 vs. Mini Vivaldi. (but that's probably another thread...)

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cuznvin
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:11pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Zevi Said:

Actually, I think it does. In my earlier post the estimate was that the 2B will cost about $475+ more than the QM67 (which accounted for the Euro and taxes). This puts it at about $2400. I'd say that Chris' estimated $2500 is close enough. He's probably trying to make a safer estimate, or for whatever reason he cannot shave this extra $100 off the price.
I think your $2200 estimate was a wishful thinking (and believe me, cuz: I was rooting for you!)

As for myself, that resolves my "maybe get the 2B" conflict, and I'm back to consider the QM67 vs. Mini Vivaldi. (but that's probably another thread...)

Cheers,
Zevi

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Posted April 15, 2013 link

Probably because he doesnt want to carry this machine and buy a large number of them. So we get stuck paying more. I will just either wait for someone else to bring the machine in or wait for another machine I am hoping comes to market soon. If not, I will probably get a QM67 from Clive.
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sharky
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Location: Calgary, AB
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Espresso: QM Vetrano 2B
Grinder: Compak K3 Touch
Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I can get the QM67 at a couple Canada retailers for a little more than the US guys.  I can also get them repaired here as well.  But after seeing a photo & video of the Vetrano 2B, I was hoping Chris would look at bringing it on board for sale in N. America.  He said that isn't going to happen!  It's a shame as it is truly a beautiful espresso machine!  However, the QM67 is a great machine and for about $1900, it deserves serious consideration . . .




cuznvin Said:

Probably because he doesnt want to carry this machine and buy a large number of them. So we get stuck paying more. I will just either wait for someone else to bring the machine in or wait for another machine I am hoping comes to market soon. If not, I will probably get a QM67 from Clive.

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tdifraia
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Location: Boston
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: QM67
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Bunn
Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 6:19am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I have had the QM 67 along with a Vario for 2 months now, and I have been very satisfied from day 1. So far no problems with reliability. It never runs out of steam, and I never have to wait for the temps to catch up. I really like having the dual PID to tell me my bearings when Im pulling a shot. I can make adjustments to the temps at the group head as some blends do better at 195 and others at 205 F. Ive had many small parties where I have to make 7 or 8 back to back lattes, and by the time I backwash, get the milk, grind and tamp, the machine temps are easily ready. I was concerned with the smaller boilers, but the powerful heating elements are super fast and eliminate wait times. The only problem I had was when I tried to do a large quantity of milk at once. This dropped the pressure in the steam boiler considerably. I use the standard 2 hole tip and do my milk per drink and it works great. It will do enough milk for 2 drinks, but thats about the limit. Never have problems with sour or bitter drinks because of temps. I have had a few sink shots, but those were caused by the grind quality. I am still a newbie and am still learning how to dial in new blends, and have learned NOT to leave the beans in the hopper for more than 24 hours or they get a little stale, and the grind reflects it considerable. All in all I really like this machine / grinder set up.
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cuznvin
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 8:39am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

tdifraia Said:

I have had the QM 67 along with a Vario for 2 months now, and I have been very satisfied from day 1. So far no problems with reliability. It never runs out of steam, and I never have to wait for the temps to catch up. I really like having the dual PID to tell me my bearings when Im pulling a shot. I can make adjustments to the temps at the group head as some blends do better at 195 and others at 205 F. Ive had many small parties where I have to make 7 or 8 back to back lattes, and by the time I backwash, get the milk, grind and tamp, the machine temps are easily ready. I was concerned with the smaller boilers, but the powerful heating elements are super fast and eliminate wait times. The only problem I had was when I tried to do a large quantity of milk at once. This dropped the pressure in the steam boiler considerably. I use the standard 2 hole tip and do my milk per drink and it works great. It will do enough milk for 2 drinks, but thats about the limit. Never have problems with sour or bitter drinks because of temps. I have had a few sink shots, but those were caused by the grind quality. I am still a newbie and am still learning how to dial in new blends, and have learned NOT to leave the beans in the hopper for more than 24 hours or they get a little stale, and the grind reflects it considerable. All in all I really like this machine / grinder set up.

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Good to know.. Will probably suit my needs just fine..I really dont need a huge machine for one person..
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DavecUK
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Posted Thu Apr 18, 2013, 9:14am
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Been happily reviewing /testingthe DB Vetrano for a while now......I'm liking it a lot, it will be a shame if you don't get them in the US. A few tiny QC issues I want them to deal with before the UK Retailer orders them, but nothing major.....in fact I've already dealt with most of them myself on the test machine.
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