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Sigma
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 4:42pm
Subject: QuickMill QM67 v. Expobar Brewtus iv
 

After lots of research and reading, I've decided on a DB PID machine as my next upgrade.

I've realized that my decision has come down to a few key points between the QuickMill QM67 and the Brewtus iv (vibe). I can't afford more than the Brewtus, so it's really down to these two machines. My biggest concerns are:
* Boiler size on QM67 seems small. Is it an issue?
* Cannot draw more than 6oz of water without recovery on the QM67. This seems like a bit of a deal breaker, as 6oz is a tiny amount.
* Brewtus iv has DB+HX on the input "cold" boiler water. The claim is, it's almost impossible to outrun the boilers because of this. Is this really true?


Or is there something else at the $2k CAD price point I should really consider? Plumb in is not a concern. Nor can I really afford it + rotary pump.
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 5:20pm
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 5:41pm
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Way over budget :(
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 6:16pm
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I looked at the QM too, but had the same concerns about boiler size. The steam boiler is pretty small too.

For a dual boiler on a budget, the refurbished Brewtus (vibe/tank) would be hard to pass up. Whole Latte Love has them for around $1500.
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:02pm
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I have used both machines. According to my tastebuds the Brewtus makes a better espresso,  one hole steam tip steams slower and produces silkier froth. Fit and finish on the QM was better.
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:30pm
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I have used both machines.

Very useful information, thanks. Did you find the boiler size on the QM67 to be an issue? Is the HX intake on the brewtus as good as 'they' say it is?

I looked at the refurbs, but I need it shipped to Canada. I spoke to someone who suggested it would start around $200. But no idea exactly how much brokerage fees would be incurred. Does anyone have a guesstimate?

I looked at the QM too, but had the same concerns about boiler size. The steam boiler is pretty small too.

What did you end up with?
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:18pm
Subject: Re: QuickMill QM67 v. Expobar Brewtus iv
 

Sigma Said:

What did you end up with?

Posted April 15, 2013 link

A Breville Dual Boiler :-0

The Breville too has small boilers. It also has the H/X feeding the brew boiler, but that doesn't make the supply endless. This has never been a problem for me when pulling shots, but if I use the water tap for an americano, the PID display will start to flash, indicating boiler recovery.

I rarely pull more than two doubles in succession, I don't often make Americanos ( if I do, it's only one), and I usually steam only very small amounts of milk at once, so the boiler sizes turned out to be a mute point for me anyhow.

If you plan to do much latte art, you may want to inquire about simultaneous brew/steam ability of the machines. This is one thing the Breville doesn't do well.

The QM is obviously a very different machine from the Breville, so I doubt this info will be of much use.
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 4:33am
Subject: Re: QuickMill QM67 v. Expobar Brewtus iv
 

Very useful information, thanks. Did you find the boiler size on the QM67 to be an issue? Is the HX intake on the brewtus as good as 'they' say it is?

Steaming 6-8 oz of milk the QM  boiler does ok, recovers quickly due to 1400 watt heater. The Brewt steamed the same quantities 10 second faster and boiler temp was more stable. The brew temp PID setting was rock solid + - 1 deg. The QM fluctuated 3 to 4 degrees at idle and during a shot.
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 6:40am
Subject: Re: QuickMill QM67 v. Expobar Brewtus iv
 

After viewing various coffee sites, I have read a number of complaints about build quality on the Brewtus.  For me, it is not the most attractive machine by any means . . . especially when compared with the QM 67 or the new Vetrano 2B.  It does look like a 'brute' on your counter!  When you are in the $2000 range comparing machines, they are all capable of producing 'god' shots & perfect microfoam. So then it's down to which machine looks better on your counter . . . and IMO, the QM espresso machines win hands down!
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 7:31am
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Steaming 6-8 oz of milk the QM  boiler does ok, recovers quickly due to 1400 watt heater. The Brewt steamed the same quantities 10 second faster and boiler temp was more stable. The brew temp PID setting was rock solid + - 1 deg. The QM fluctuated 3 to 4 degrees at idle and during a shot.

Huh...that's a pretty profound difference to be honest.

After viewing various coffee sites, I have read a number of complaints about build quality on the Brewtus.

Hmmm that is concerning. What kind of issues?
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