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CarloM
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:53am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

Hey Mathfuzzy - yeah I think I'm right with my microfoam theory as well. It can be had by careful technique with lesser machines (bleed the wand/boiler first of any moisture, keep milk and pitcher very cold, stretch until 100F, work to a roll/swirl, submerge wand more, etc.). And good technique is needed only to overcome the limitations of SBDU and some HX/DB machines that don't have powerful steam.

However every single professional espresso shop I've seen puts so little effort in getting the foam I'm now convinced the machine's ability to produce powerful, dry steam, out of at least a 3 and preferably 4 hole tip, is 90% of it.

What frustrates me in my [lack of] ability to do latte art is that practice makes perfect on the pours. Well, if I'm only getting latte art quality microfoam every fourth or fifth time I do it, and I'm only making 2 drinks a day on average, well by the time I get it on that third day I'm already out of practice.
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CarloM
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 1:38pm
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SSgt93, I saw your post on S1Cafe saying that someone at CCS swayed you towards the Alex - can I ask (for the sake of completeness in this thread) what it was that she said that made you lean towards the Duetto?
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SSgt93
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 2:00pm
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CarloM Said:

SSgt93, I saw your post on S1Cafe saying that someone at CCS swayed you towards the Alex - can I ask (for the sake of completeness in this thread) what it was that she said that made you lean towards the Duetto?

Posted April 15, 2013 link

I'm still trying to decide, but being able to plumb in later would be nice.
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Mathfuzzy
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 2:05pm
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I was thinking the same - that and the rotary pump almost sent me into the arms of the Duetto.
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SSgt93
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 2:22pm
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Mathfuzzy Said:

I was thinking the same - that and the rotary pump almost sent me into the arms of the Duetto.

Posted April 15, 2013 link

I just wish it wasn't so big (don't read into that lol). Just slightly smaller and the Duetto 3 would be great. I Like the R58 but it's way more than it needs to be. I'm about to buy a super auto and be done with it all :)
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 3:01pm
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Hey best of luck if you do go Super Auto - there are some good ones out there for sure.

I'm just one of those people that loves tries to pursue the god shot (and comes up short 99% of the time) and you can really only do that with the amount of tinkering and ability to horse around with grind fineness, dosing, tamping, brew temp, etc. that the semi-autos give you. But a good full-auto will give you consistently solid results which is enough for most people. I think we here are the lunatic fringe. :D
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 3:10pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

CarloM Said:

Hey best of luck if you do go Super Auto - there are some good ones out there for sure.

I'm just one of those people that loves tries to pursue the god shot (and comes up short 99% of the time) and you can really only do that with the amount of tinkering and ability to horse around with grind fineness, dosing, tamping, brew temp, etc. that the semi-autos give you. But a good full-auto will give you consistently solid results which is enough for most people. I think we here are the lunatic fringe. :D

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I'm with you Carlos.  It's actually a buddy by me that owns a coffee shop that recommended a super auto for the family to use (he uses one at home for ease for his family).  I don't know if I found go that route, but I am looking.  I wish the Duetto 3.0 was slightly smaller and didn't weight so much.  Where I am putting it, it will have to be moved for cleaning etc and it's a lot to move! I really am sick of looking.  Just when I think I find 'the one', I start looking at something else.  I know there will not be a perfect machine, but I want one close to it.  Ken at Clive recommended the Vivaldi II Mini with a timer (I want that) due to the reliability of the machine.  I would buy the Dream in a heart beat if it was a convertible (hear be La Spaziale!?). I would even pay slightly more for that feature.
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Mathfuzzy
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 3:17pm
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SSgt93 Said:

I'm with you Carlos.  It's actually a buddy by me that owns a coffee shop that recommended a super auto for the family to use.  I don't know if I found go that route, but I am looking.  I wish the Duetto 3.0 was slightly smaller and didn't weight so much.  Where I am putting it, it will have to be moved for cleaning etc and it's a lot to move! I really am sick of looking.  Just when I think I find 'the one', I start looking at something else.  I know there will not be a perfect machine, but I want one close to it.  Ken at Clive recommended the Vivaldi II Mini with a timer (I want that) due to the reliability of the machine.  I would buy the Dream in a heart beat if it was a convertible (hear be La Spaziale!?). I would even pay slightly more for that feature.

Posted April 15, 2013 link

FWIW - having the option to convert to a plumbed-in model was kind of high on my list, but after using the machine for the better part of a month it doesn't bug me to fill the tank.  It's a huge tank in the first place and since I have to dump the tray anyway, doing that and refilling the tank have become the last minute of my coffee making ritual.  Having said that, sure, it'd be great to connect the drain and have it plumbed and eliminate that last minute, but I guess I'm simply reporting that it turns out not be be a hassle.
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Mathfuzzy
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 3:23pm
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SSgt93 Said:

I really am sick of looking.  

Posted April 15, 2013 link

I hear you!  At the end of the process I was kind of sick and tired of the research.  I finally just had to call and end to it and hope I wasn't completely screwing up.  The good news, back to the title of the whole thread, in my case it turns out to have been worth the money, the time and the hand wringing.
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SSgt93
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

Mathfuzzy Said:

I hear you!  At the end of the process I was kind of sick and tired of the research.  I finally just had to call and end to it and hope I wasn't completely screwing up.  The good news, back to the title of the whole thread, in my case it turns out to have been worth the money, the time and the hand wringing.

Posted April 15, 2013 link

That's good to hear, the Dream is still at the top of my list.  I was suppose to get some price quotes from CCS today and haven't heard anything. I imagine due to the tragic happenings close to them.  I love the wood panels on the Spaz from Clive Coffee (brings the price around the price of the Alex) but gorgeous.  The Spaz will also fit in the area I am using now better.
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