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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 2:31pm
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Could be worse. Here is what the same area of my now-sold Vibiemme Domobar Super looked like - after the drip tray riser FELL OFF! They are spot  welded onto the base BEFORE powder coating so the area underneath is untreated steel. Any moisture in there is nearly impossible to see, let alone get out.

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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 4:17pm
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Good luck in that.
Most commercial machines costing many times what yours did, have frames made of carbon steel and just painted.

If you lived where the snow gets arm pit deep are you going to complain that your car has rust holes all over it in 5 years?

Corrosion happens and it is your job to manage taking care of it. Manufacturers take reasionable efforts to control it but, rust happens

Making the frame from stainless would add a lot to the cost of the machine, likely $150 or more as the material costs more, it is harder to work, the tools to work it will cost more to make and will wear out sooner

A Sylvia new is already over priced in todays market, to add more to the cost needlesly would put them at even more of a market disadvantage.

I also own a sylvia as my vacation or work machine and I needed to sand, prime and paint the frame too, it really isn't a big deal.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 4:37pm
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Here's the issue: espresso machines are meant to be subjected to heat, water, and pressure. Period. Anyone building an espresso machine needs to factor that in.

I get that pure stainless steel adds to the cost. If you're unwilling to increase costs, then decrease it and go plastic (like the sides/bottom of the La Spaziale Vivaldi and Dream). Then you can lower the cost of the Silvia so it's not so overpriced, as you say.

Basically there were two right ways to go: Stainless Steel and increase price, or plastic and decrease price. Both would have been immune (or highly resistant) to rust. The wrong answer was to go with steel and a cheap paint job. And that's what Rancilio did.

For those of us who live in apartment complexes and don't own sanders and paint (and can't due to constraints on what can be done in the complex) we don't have the disassemble, sand, prime and paint option. Nor should we be made to do that when we've spent $700 on a machine. If this was a $200 entry-level Gaggia I could see that.
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 4:52pm
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Rust proofing is easy to do and can be done without tools.  I previously owned a Silvia and saw some rust developing under the drip tray and around the vibe pump.  I sanded the rusty areas by hand.  I applied Rustoleum with a small brush.  I also caulked the seams to prevent water damage.  My Silvia was 4 years old when I sold it and the machine had no rust damage.
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 6:05pm
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Carlo, the third option is to just take care of what you have.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 6:48pm
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calblacksmith Said:

Carlo, the third option is to just take care of what you have.

Posted April 1, 2013 link

I'm sorry you must have missed my post where I wrote that I clean my machine religiously and never let water sit on the machine. I clean the water tray every 2-3 days. I wipe the machine down every time I empty the tray. That paint is wearing at the point where the water tray and tray cover (which both must be removed in order to empty) contact the paint.

The tray is designed to be removed frequently (it holds so little water that my simple 2 lattes a day require me to empty it every 2-3 days). If you see my personal belongings, you'd probably think I border on OCD with the way I keep my things in great shape (CD/DVD/BluRays with no scratches, hardcover books put in archival dust jacket covers and laying on their side to avoid spine bending, constantly cleaning my musical instruments). I bought my Silvia new 10 months ago. What you see is a result of 10 months of 2-3 lattes a day in use. That is unacceptable.
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Posted Wed Apr 24, 2013, 8:37pm
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This has happened to my machine as well and I have been meticulous with it! I just posted a new topic about it before I found this! I will now go through and read everyone's comments to see if a solution was found. I think it might be worth it to contact the manufacturer. Please include me if any of you plan to do this! Thanks

Here's my issue:
The black metal sides of the base, where the drip tray slides init is rusting horribly. And because of the rust, it has warped and is now very difficult to slide the drip tray in and out. Im distraught because everything about this machine is perfect and in great shape. I take care of it and it has never been left soaking or in water. I clean it after each use and I'm the only person who uses it.
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 4:13am
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Dear calblacksmith:

When I read your posting I am hard pressed to convince myself that you don't work for an espresso machine manufacturer such as Silvia portraying yourself as a consumer.  

For the purpose of my response, I will give you the benefit of some serious doubt on my part that you don't work for Silvia and give you my response to your absurd posting.

Mankind has had stainless steel for many years.  The reason that it is called stainless steel is that is doesn't corrode (ergo stain), or rust.  Any decent manufacturing design engineer knows this and the big payoff for knowing this is to use it on products that are exposed to moisture, such as an espresso machine.  When a manufacturer locks down its design for an espresso machine without using stainless steel they enter the world of the shoddy and irresponsible.

I have serious doubts as to your qualifications for participating in this forum with your 'just take care of what you have' posting.   It should raise serious doubt for the set of consumers who are raising this issue of being aggrieved.  

Please find a blog site for the uniformed who would appreciate your comments.
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 4:17am
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I too would sell this machine if I could find a sucker to take it off of my hands.

I'm surprised that you sold it after you fixed it up.  Is the problem perhaps that you really can't fix rust?

We certainly would have respected your posting had you stated that you fixed it, and still have it after 10 years of use?
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Posted Thu Apr 25, 2013, 4:21am
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Hi Kim, am interested in participating with others who want to take this rust issue to Silvia so that they may reap the benefits of producing a shoddy product.  My response to their philosophy of 'caveat emptor' - buyer beware.

If you would like to take this dicussion offline, you can reach me at SteveEdelman2.0@gmail.com.

I would be happy to share with you the steps that I have taken to attempt to stop the rusting away of my Silvia machine.
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