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cuznvin
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 7:49am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

CarloM Said:

Yeah I think most of us understand they're busy - they run a big business. And yes, I know on their site they don't do direct comparisons, but I'd hope that Chris would be a bit more explicit in forums such as these (as DavecUK is) with regards to his experiences with the machine, more than how much they "love" the machine. I know they love both the Spaz and the Duetto. But I also know that the steam from the Spaz tends to be a bit more powerful and drier, while the 58mm brew group on the Duetto presents some benefits that the Spaz doesn't have. So how about throwing us a bone as to how the Duetto and QM compare? If they're both "loved" machines, without specifics, are they equals? Are they selling equal machines but at $400 price differences? We all want to save money, and so the QM would seem like a no brainer. But so often in life you get what you pay for, so I'd like to know what I'm giving up (if anything) by going with the Vetrano 2B over the Duetto.

Like it or not, busy or not, a huge part of running a successful business is communicating with customers. Forums such as this one, and Home Barista, etc. are where most of their customers congregate. We are the lunatic fringe. Most people out on the street don't even think about getting a $500 espresso machine, let alone a $2000-$2500 machine.

I get that they're busy, I'm willing to wait and give them time to do a comparison.

Posted June 17, 2013 link

Give them a call . I'm sure they would be happy to answer any of your questions
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chriscoffee
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 8:29am
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I don't do comparisons because in my opinion if a person were to read a comparison of a machine that one company sold to a machine that a competitor sold wouldn't most people think the comparison was biased?? I would, that is why I leave that up to Home Barista or Coffeegeat to do. Or for customers to post reviews on the machines with comparisons to previously owned machines. Those I would take more seriously. I point out features and frankly in many cases it would be impossible for me to do a caparison of a competitors machine that I have never used. I also do not wish to knock a competitors machine, I don't want to go there. Inform the consumer and let them make the comparison.

Chris
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cuznvin
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 8:41am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

chriscoffee Said:

I don't do comparisons because in my opinion if a person were to read a comparison of a machine that one company sold to a machine that a competitor sold wouldn't most people think the comparison was biased?? I would, that is why I leave that up to Home Barista or Coffeegeat to do. Or for customers to post reviews on the machines with comparisons to previously owned machines. Those I would take more seriously. I point out features and frankly in many cases it would be impossible for me to do a caparison of a competitors machine that I have never used. I also to not wish to knock a competitors machine, I don't want to go there. Inform the consumer and let them make the comparison.

Chris

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cuznvin
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

The awesome QM Vetrano Dual Boiler!

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cuznvin
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 4:57pm
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cuznvin Said:

The awesome QM Vetrano Dual Boiler!

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cuznvin
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 5:19pm
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Steaming.. Vetrano 2B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmBo26_65SA
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 5:59pm
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cuznvin Said:

Steaming.. Vetrano 2B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmBo26_65SA

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Holds steam pretty well,I was told by CCS it will be switchable between 15 and 20 amp which should improve steaming if needed.
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JaniceAnn
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 9:02pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Any idea when Chris' will have a video and review up on their website?

I watched a couple of videos on Youtube but they are in German and I didn't understand a word.

I am really looking forward to seeing a video where they show the inside of the machine and I can actually understand
what is being said.
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 1:34am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

JaniceAnn Said:

Any idea when Chris' will have a video and review up on their website?

I watched a couple of videos on Youtube but they are in German and I didn't understand a word.

I am really looking forward to seeing a video where they show the inside of the machine and I can actually understand
what is being said.

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I agree with Janice!  This machine is at the top of my wish list, however, a solid review is always helpful to confirm a purchase.  Let's hope for one soon . . .
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chriscoffee
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 7:49am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Dave mentioned in one of his posts about soft gaskets which made me go back and do some research. Come to find out all the replacement E61 gaskets we sell are the SOFT ones. To be honest I was not aware there was a difference. I did more research and found that the gaskets that come in most of the machine I import come with the hard gaskets in the them. I am going to contact all the companies I import from and ask that for future orders to please use the soft gaskets. This will take some time before the inventory is cycled through. The Vetrano DB will come with the SOFT gaskets already in them since they are not made yet. I put a video up on my site showing how much more pliable the soft gaskets are and how much easier the portafilter locks into the group. Click Here
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