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Tonyv138
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 6:28pm
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Has anyone besides DaveC taken off the panels off the V2B? I see only 2 screws on the top, and 3 on the bottom i think, but it seems that bottom ones are inaccessible. Any tips to take the back and sides off?

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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 6:46pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Tonyv138 Said:

Has anyone besides DaveC taken off the panels off the V2B? I see only 2 screws on the top, and 3 on the bottom i think, but it seems that bottom ones are inaccessible. Any tips to take the back and sides off?

thanks

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snwcVVoj50Q

Instructions on how to remove the case on the Verona which is the Vetrano 2B in the USA.
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 7:17pm
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Mine arrived today. One front leg bent slightly but not really noticeable. No four hole tip. No instruction manual. I'll need to wait until the weekend to go back over DaveUK's posts on how to condition the machine. Looks pretty on the counter, tho.

I have mine configured for 20A. The branch circuit feeds other countertop appliances so I guess I'll need to take care to not run too many things at once. If the testing you all are doing shows no practical advantage over 15A mode for pulling one or two milk drinks, I may configure it for 15A.

I don't really like the feel and look of the portafilter, both the rough plastic feel of the handle and the obvious cast marks in the metal. I know already that will get swapped out for something better.
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 7:25pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I did notice some sharp edges on the handle of the factory PF, but I don't use it so I haven't had to deal with that. Looks like a little work with something to clean up the rough plastic edges would do the trick.

The manual is not shipped with the machine. There should be a paper in the box that points you to the manual on their web site. If you don't have it, here is the link:
http://www.chriscoffee.com/kb_results.asp?ID=36

Edit: If you have other high wattage appliances I would put it in 15 amp mode. I really don't think you will notice it on low production. It just takes a second to switch it back to 15 amp mode.
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 7:36pm
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As a litigator for electronics companies, licensed electrician and one with great knowledge of the NEC, I am appalled by the incorrect, misleading dangerous and just plain made up electrical advice in this thread   Perhaps OK never adopted the NEC.  

A coffee hobbies  blog is no place  to opine on the adequacy of circuits, breakers and the code.  particularly when the posting has just enough correct information to delude the reader into thinking the poster has a clue.  Getting circuit capacity advice here is like getting medical information from a TV Commerical.  

People die every day from electrical house fires.  The codes are there to save lives.  

Analyze your  beans, discuss ad nauseam the best temperature BUT DO NO HARM.
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I think I now understand why DavecUK preferred the UK portafilters. I'm not overly impressed with the US version. They're not bad, but I'd hope for better from a $2200 machine. The double PF narrows too quickly, so my 19g VST can't be used, so I'm still using a bottomless Rancilio pf.

Made a mocha this afternoon. Espresso again was great, microfoam was much better when I didn't stretch the milk too much in the beginning, and then when submerging to heat the milk I aimed for a near vertical, center placement and let the opposing air jets start a roll on its own. Didn't do the pour correctly so no great art, but the milk had that airy, consistent texture I've been after but unable to attain with the Silvia single-hole tip. Gave the drink a really nice mouthfeel which is what I'm after. Latte art would just be a bonus.
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Posted Fri Sep 6, 2013, 2:15am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Tonyv138 Said:

Has anyone besides DaveC taken off the panels off the V2B? I see only 2 screws on the top, and 3 on the bottom i think, but it seems that bottom ones are inaccessible. Any tips to take the back and sides off?

thanks

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Just saw that video, yes they did a great job....only one thing. I remember now getting the odd cut on my hand (because I was careless), but it reminded me about taking the rear panel off. I can't remember why I use this technique, but I always do, so there must be a reason why. I take a tea towel (drying cloth for plates), ball it up into a pad and reach down inside where the water tank was sitting and apply pressure as low down as I can on the panel, using the cloth as a soft large area pad. So I can't distort the metal or cut my hand!

I never pull the panel from the outside (at the edges). I think the reason I don't personally do this is to avoid the potential for unequal pressure on the clip pins at the bottom, should one side come out first. This is because you would then have a hand pulling right at the edge on the opposite side (that released), twisting the back and applying a twisting moment on the rear pin that had not released. It's one of the reason we also had the retaining pins changed to zinc coated steel on the UK Verona, there was the odd report of the brass ones breaking, and they self thread into 2 steel plates!.

Also the nature of these clips is such that they like to come out with the panel as vertical as possible, not so easily possible if your tilting the panel to get enough room to get your fingers behind it. So fantastic down to the point of pulling the rear panel off, at that point I reach in and use a big cloth pad as low down as possible, to push it off from inside, with the panel held as vertical as possible in it's normal fitted position.

Sorry I have not explained it well and will try to do a video next time I remove my case....but it could be a while, as it's not due a maintenance check for some time.

As for the portafilters...yeah, I liked the one I liked, when the second machine came directly to me from Italy via air freight in advance of the main batch, I didn't like the portafilter they had substituted, found out the whole batch was like it and insisted that the same portafilters I had on the initial test machine were shipped.  I had only approved those.....so they sent a full set of those for the entire UK batch by air separately, BB during the delivery inspection simply replaced them before sending out to the customers. I understand BB will probably return the others to QM at some point, at least that's what I recommended they do. I can't exactly remember what they said to me on the phone, something about, "we thought you would want the same portafilters as the USA", well going by that logic we would have had lights as well....so a pretty weak excuse in my opinion. However The UK Verona is specific to BB, they paid extra for their machine and I was a complete hardass to QM as far as any issues were concerned, down to steel instead of brass pins on something you would never know about if I hand't said, so extension pipes for the drain system, so they taps are "just" below the access plate, rather than on the base of the boilers. Even down to the PIDs not coming at factory setting, but for us, exactly as I specified, so there's no chance of misconfiguration, unfortunately, I can't do anything about a factory reset putting it back to Gicars standard firmware settings (e.g. an offset of 15C, plus other things).
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Deniss
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Posted Fri Sep 6, 2013, 3:55am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I had my QM67 and my Ceado E7 installed on a dedicated 15 amp circuit, you know those machines consume a lot of power. Prior to the dedicated circuit the light in my fridge was flickering when the boiler was on. I wanted the full potential for my machines.

QM67 is 1400 watts and the Ceado E7 400 watts it is 1800 watt on the counter...

I have no worries of overloading circuit and the outlet was installed by a licensed electrician.

Sorry to intrude on your post with my QM67 the little sister of the Vetrano DB
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DeanOK
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Posted Fri Sep 6, 2013, 4:20am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

PeterWWbeagle Said:

As a litigator for electronics companies, licensed electrician and one with great knowledge of the NEC, I am appalled by the incorrect, misleading dangerous and just plain made up electrical advice in this thread   Perhaps OK never adopted the NEC.  

A coffee hobbies  blog is no place  to opine on the adequacy of circuits, breakers and the code.  particularly when the posting has just enough correct information to delude the reader into thinking the poster has a clue.  Getting circuit capacity advice here is like getting medical information from a TV Commerical.  

People die every day from electrical house fires.  The codes are there to save lives.  

Analyze your  beans, discuss ad nauseam the best temperature BUT DO NO HARM.

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Deniss Said:

I had my QM67 and my Ceado E7 installed on a dedicated 15 amp circuit, you know those machines consume a lot of power. Prior to the dedicated circuit the light in my fridge was flickering when the boiler was on. I wanted the full potential for my machines.

QM67 is 1400 watts and the Ceado E7 400 watts it is 1800 watt on the counter...

I have no worries of overloading circuit and the outlet was installed by a licensed electrician.

Sorry to intrude on your post with my QM67 the little sister of the Vetrano DB

Posted September 6, 2013 link

I have debated whether to stay out of this or whether get involved. First of all, I think both Peter and myself have the same goal... trying to keep people safe and I know that people will do things that are not supposed to do just because they can. My intention was to get people to look around and see how many high wattage appliances they have on the same circuit... because overloading a circuit can be easy in a kitchen.

First, Deniss, your QM67 and Ceado together pull more wattage than the V2B in 20 amp mode... and then we learn that your refrigerator is on the same circuit. Your circuit was WAY OVERLOADED and this was done with appliances that were designed within prevailing codes to be used in your kitchen. You absolutely did the right thing by adding the additional dedicated circuit.

My point is that you need to look around and see how your available circuits are being used. Just because you have only 15 amp appliances plugged in doesn't mean you are ok. If this concept is confusing for you, it may well be worth your time and money to pay an electrician to look at how you are using your appliances.

In no case would I tell you that you don't need a dedicated circuit. In fact, you may need a dedicated/additional circuit even if you are using the V2B in 15 amp mode. Using the V2B in 15 amp mode is no guarantee that you are not overloading your existing circuit.

In my case, I know exactly what is on my circuits, how much current is being drawn on those circuits and the gauge of the wire, the length of the wire, the voltage drop under load, and the size of the circuit protector. I am comfortable with what I am doing... that doesn't mean anyone else should do it just because I am .

Bottom line, if you have a toaster, refrigerator, microwave, and a 15 amp coffee machine on your counter, you should already be making efforts to determine how many of these appliances are sharing the same circuit. Sometimes the answer is simply to move an appliance to another circuit.

When in doubt, hire an electrician. If you need a dedicated circuit, even if your machine is in 15 amp mode, have the circuit installed.
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Posted Fri Sep 6, 2013, 9:12am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

AustinDave Said:

Mine arrived today. One front leg bent slightly but not really noticeable. No four hole tip. No instruction manual. I'll need to wait until the weekend to go back over DaveUK's posts on how to condition the machine. Looks pretty on the counter, tho.

I have mine configured for 20A. The branch circuit feeds other countertop appliances so I guess I'll need to take care to not run too many things at once. If the testing you all are doing shows no practical advantage over 15A mode for pulling one or two milk drinks, I may configure it for 15A.

I don't really like the feel and look of the portafilter, both the rough plastic feel of the handle and the obvious cast marks in the metal. I know already that will get swapped out for something better.

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Guess they forgot to turn yours upside down when they packed it..
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