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Gkeb
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 3:32pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

I got mine yesterday and spent the afternoon flushing it. Made some great espresso today.

The v2b came in fairly good shape. One of the front legs was bent inward. I don't know when it happened. It looked well packed and just a few dents in the outer box. None on the inner box. The machine seems solid, except the front legs are attached to a fairly thick sheet of stainless with no frame or support along the front of the v2b. The tork on the leg bent the stainless sheet. I was able to bend it back. Other wise I love the machine. My only problem is there is only so much coffee I can drink in a day.
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 3:39pm
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Gkeb Said:

I got mine yesterday and spent the afternoon flushing it. Made some great espresso today.

The v2b came in fairly good shape. One of the front legs was bent inward. I don't know when it happened. It looked well packed and just a few dents in the outer box. None on the inner box. The machine seems solid, except the front legs are attached to a fairly thick sheet of stainless with no frame or support along the front of the v2b. The tork on the leg bent the stainless sheet. I was able to bend it back. Other wise I love the machine. My only problem is there is only so much coffee I can drink in a day.

Posted August 29, 2013 link

Welcome to coffee geek! Glad to hear you had minimal damage. I understand about the number of espressos you can drink in a day. I limit mine in the evenings.
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CarloM
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 3:40pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Other than the scratch, congratulations on receiving yours Janice! Glad to hear we have the dual PID settings that DavecUK specified. Did you notice if the offset was 27F like the PDF manual stated, or was it different?

I just bought six gallons of Crystal Geyser Spring Water, which according to the insanely long water FAQ is one of the best in terms of being right at the "softness" you want for a machine: soft enough not to contribute too much scale (it should take years to even need descaling) but contains enough of the right minerals to produce good espresso (distilled water makes apparently bad espresso).

I'll re-confirm with the test strips when they arrive with the machine. But I will also buy a gallon of distilled, to cut with a gallon of the Crystal Geyser, in order to do the initial six or so flushes that Dave recommends. I am also going out to buy furniture sliders so I can place those under my machine in order to fill it with water. I think I'm going to keep it on my counter under the kitchen cabinets, which is too low to allow water filling. But instead of doing the bong method, I am hoping that placing furniture sliders will allow me to easily turn the machine 90 degrees to allow the top enough clearance room to open the water reservoir. My counter juts out further than the cabinets by 13" and since CCS lists the V2B as 12" wide, that should be wide enough to rotate the machine and allow the lid to open. This should also allow me to be able to lift out the reservoir for cleaning every so often, and also to replace the in-tank filter/softener that I purchased from CCS.
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CarloM
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 3:42pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Gkeb Said:

I got mine yesterday and spent the afternoon flushing it. Made some great espresso today.

The v2b came in fairly good shape. One of the front legs was bent inward. I don't know when it happened. It looked well packed and just a few dents in the outer box. None on the inner box. The machine seems solid, except the front legs are attached to a fairly thick sheet of stainless with no frame or support along the front of the v2b. The tork on the leg bent the stainless sheet. I was able to bend it back. Other wise I love the machine. My only problem is there is only so much coffee I can drink in a day.

Posted August 29, 2013 link

Disappointing to hear about the leg. I'd like to say this is a one-off but I think the person who posted in this thread a while back from Australia also had the same issue (and worse).

Sounds like perhaps in the future they should think about shipping without the feet attached (if that's a possibility). Hopefully the act of bending it back won't permanently damage or stress the metal.
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DeanOK
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

JaniceAnn Said:

The machine does have the P!, I1, D1, B1 and also the P2, I2, D2, B2, so we do have the new double loop PID.

I have been doing the flushes and so far, so good.

Posted August 29, 2013 link

Great! I am expecting mine tomorrow... but who knows. I have a lot of concern about shipping damage just because the machine is so heavy. I hope I am reporting no damage on mine this time tomorrow evening.
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JaniceAnn
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 4:16pm
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CarloM Said:

Other than the scratch, congratulations on receiving yours Janice! Glad to hear we have the dual PID settings that DavecUK specified. Did you notice if the offset was 27F like the PDF manual stated, or was it different?

I just bought six gallons of Crystal Geyser Spring Water, which according to the insanely long water FAQ is one of the best in terms of being right at the "softness" you want for a machine: soft enough not to contribute too much scale (it should take years to even need descaling) but contains enough of the right minerals to produce good espresso (distilled water makes apparently bad espresso).

I'll re-confirm with the test strips when they arrive with the machine. But I will also buy a gallon of distilled, to cut with a gallon of the Crystal Geyser, in order to do the initial six or so flushes that Dave recommends. I am also going out to buy furniture sliders so I can place those under my machine in order to fill it with water. I think I'm going to keep it on my counter under the kitchen cabinets, which is too low to allow water filling. But instead of doing the bong method, I am hoping that placing furniture sliders will allow me to easily turn the machine 90 degrees to allow the top enough clearance room to open the water reservoir. My counter juts out further than the cabinets by 13" and since CCS lists the V2B as 12" wide, that should be wide enough to rotate the machine and allow the lid to open. This should also allow me to be able to lift out the reservoir for cleaning every so often, and also to replace the in-tank filter/softener that I purchased from CCS.

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I went into the advanced programming and checked on the Offsets.  The brew boiler is 15 and the steam boiler is 0.
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CarloM
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 4:24pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

JaniceAnn Said:

I went into the advanced programming and checked on the Offsets.  The brew boiler is 15 and the steam boiler is 0.

Posted August 29, 2013 link

Is that in Fahrenheit? If so then it is closer to Dave's recommendation of 10-11C (which if my math is correct comes to 18-20 degrees F) than the 27F that's in the manual.

And I'm not sure if every machine will be identical. If they tested each machine with a SCACE could the offset be different by a degree or two per machine?
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JaniceAnn
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 4:50pm
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CarloM Said:

Is that in Fahrenheit? If so then it is closer to Dave's recommendation of 10-11C (which if my math is correct comes to 18-20 degrees F) than the 27F that's in the manual.

And I'm not sure if every machine will be identical. If they tested each machine with a SCACE could the offset be different by a degree or two per machine?

Posted August 29, 2013 link

I went back and checked again because I had accidentally changed from F to C.

The offset at F shows to be 27.  It is changeable, of course, but I am going to leave it as it is.  If they checked with a scace device, I would think it is correct.
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DavecUK
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 7:17pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

JaniceAnn Said:

I went back and checked again because I had accidentally changed from F to C.

The offset at F shows to be 27.  It is changeable, of course, but I am going to leave it as it is.  If they checked with a scace device, I would think it is correct.

Posted August 29, 2013 link

Don't try and polish out that scratch Janice, it will just make things worse, mirror finish steel can easily be dulled by polishes.

As for the PID settings, I've posted the UK ones and I don't feel comfortable saying more about it.
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emil3m
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

Dave,

Is it fair to say that the machines are more likely damaged when they are shipped to the consumer rather than during the shipping from QM to the distributor? Do you have any insight on that original, bulk shipment from QM?

I live about 2.5-3 hours away from CCS and was wondering if it's worth the road trip. Scratches and/or bent legs and/or other damage (however minor) would bother me. I realize this comes off weird, because functionality doesn't really suffer..

 
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