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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:14pm
Subject: Re: McDonald's makes better Mochas than I do
 

Well, I have (almost) given up on making good espresso at home. The McDonald's is just better than mine and I don't think it is the flavorings, I think it is the coffee.

I had another caramel mocha yesterday at MD's and their coffee definitely has a better taste than what I can make at home with fresh coffee and a CC1 and a VarioW. I am not saying its not me, but obviously, if it is, I don't have the taste buds that can fix it.

One thing I think I noticed yesterday is that McDonald's uses Caramel sauce, not caramel syrup flavoring.  I don't know if this would add much to the end product or not.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:19pm
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DeanOK Said:

One thing I think I noticed yesterday is that McDonald's uses Caramel sauce, not caramel syrup flavoring.  I don't know if this would add much to the end product or not.

Posted April 14, 2013 link

Sauce gives a much better, richer flavor in my experience.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:23pm
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DeanOK Said:

Well, I have (almost) given up on making good espresso at home. The McDonald's is just better than mine and I don't think it is the flavorings, I think it is the coffee.

I had another caramel mocha yesterday at MD's and their coffee definitely has a better taste than what I can make at home with fresh coffee and a CC1 and a VarioW. I am not saying its not me, but obviously, if it is, I don't have the taste buds that can fix it.

One thing I think I noticed yesterday is that McDonald's uses Caramel sauce, not caramel syrup flavoring.  I don't know if this would add much to the end product or not.

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Here is what is in their caramel sauce

Caramel Syrup:
Sugar, water, fructose, natural (plant source) and artificial flavor, salt, caramel color (with sulfites), potassium sorbate (preservative), citric acid, malic acid.

and the ingredients in the mocha

Whole Milk, Espresso, Chocolate Caramel Syrup, Whipped Cream, Caramel Drizzle

Caramel Drizzle:
Corn syrup, sweetened condensed milk (milk, sugar), high fructose corn syrup, water, butter, sugar, salt, pectin, disodium phosphate, artificial flavor (vanillin, ethyl
vanillin), caramel color (with sulfites), potassium sorbate (preservative).

Chocolate Caramel Syrup:
Sugar, water, fructose, natural (plant source) and artificial flavors, chocolate liquor, caramel color, (with sulfites), salt, sucralose, gellan gum, potassium sorbate
(preservative), citric acid, malic acid, red 40

I think it will be difficult to match the taste with this LONG list of all kinds of ingredients including artificial sweeteners, gums, HFCS and different flavorings.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:39pm
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You also say the "coffee" has a better taste.. Are you saying the drink itself has a better taste or the actual coffee. You probably cant taste much of the actual coffee.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 9:01pm
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I agree, I suggest you taste just the coffee they use for the mocha drinks so you are comparing apples more or less to apples.  Maybe you just don't like the taste of espresso.  I don't like the taste of plain drip coffee.

When I first started this rabbit hole I wanted to make the frappicinnos you get in the bottles at the stores.  At first mine did not taste as good.  After about 6 months or so I started thinking mine were slightly better than the store bought ones.  I had one the other day and I thought it tasted thin, weak and mostly just sweet.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 2:21pm
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cuznvin Said:

You also say the "coffee" has a better taste.. Are you saying the drink itself has a better taste or the actual coffee. You probably cant taste much of the actual coffee.

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^^ This +1

Granted I'm working from memory of a Mickey D's mocha from probably a year or more ago, but I recall it being super sweet, mostly sugar (not chocolate). It's pretty much accepted fact that the more sugar you put in something, the more it appeals to "the masses". I used to go to the Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf and get their mochas every day, which later I found out was mostly sugar with some dutch cocoa powder thrown in for color. I used to love it. Then I started trying more refined mochas, and places like Intelligentsia (Los Angeles) and Blue Bottle (San Francisco) became my favorites. Coincidentally they both use TCHO chocolate (San Fran based) which is mostly chocolate and much less sugar.

It took a bit of palate refinement but now I fully enjoy that style of mocha, where you can taste both the coffee and the chocolate (as opposed to sugar) and even bought the TCHO drinking chocolate crumbles to make them at home. Recently I went back to The Coffee Bean with a friend and ordered my old standby and found it undrinkable.
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 4:50pm
Subject: Re: McDonald's makes better Mochas than I do
 

cuznvin,
  Thanks for posting that list of ingredients. I think it points towards a lot of the problems we are dealing with in this post. The beverage made with those ingredients, I do not consider food. It is a laboratory product carefully devised, dare I say fabricated, to create a consumable product with specific mouth feel, taste, and the ability to make it at any time, anywhere and have the same exact properties each time. It is a problem in this society with not only the "hot milk shakes" that pass as coffee but throughout the fast food industry and the food supply in general.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 4:58pm
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frcn Said:

cuznvin,
  Thanks for posting that list of ingredients. I think it points towards a lot of the problems we are dealing with in this post. The beverage made with those ingredients, I do not consider food. It is a laboratory product carefully devised, dare I say fabricated, to create a consumable product with specific mouth feel, taste, and the ability to make it at any time, anywhere and have the same exact properties each time. It is a problem in this society with not only the "hot milk shakes" that pass as coffee but throughout the fast food industry and the food supply in general.

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soooo true..
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 5:47pm
Subject: Re: McDonald's makes better Mochas than I do
 

Just made a Mocha with Nutella, Tornai Caramel Syrup, a double espresso and 6 oz of steamed milk. It had a nice flavor, but a little too sweet... and the nice flavor had no coffee taste to speak of. Not the same after taste as the MD's. But it was good, but not much coffee flavor. I think next time I will cut the Nuttella back a bit and maybe the milk too and see if that helps.

Edit: I used Caramel Sauce, not Caramel Syrup
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 7:50pm
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DeanOK Said:

Just made a Mocha with Nutella, Tornai Caramel Syrup, a double espresso and 6 oz of steamed milk. It had a nice flavor, but a little too sweet... and the nice flavor had no coffee taste to speak of. Not the same after taste as the MD's. But it was good, but not much coffee flavor. I think next time I will cut the Nuttella back a bit and maybe the milk too and see if that helps.

Edit: I used Caramel Sauce, not Caramel Syrup

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Why would you use Nutella that is made from Hazelnuts?  The McD Mocha ingredients didnt seem to contain any nuts, did they?
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