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cuznvin
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 6:54am
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germantownrob Said:

It is hard to add something sweet without there being a ton of sugar, I guess the nature of being sweet. 2 Tbsp of Ghiradelli chocolate sauce is 24g of sugar and .5g of fat, I will use 3 Tbsp for a mocha or hot chocolate the rest of the fat is milk dependent.  my sugar in the raw weighs 10g per Tbsp, 2.5 Tbsp of sugar in my 2 Tbsp of chocolate sauce.

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Posted March 23, 2013 link

Every teaspoon of sugar is 4g.. 2.5 TBLS is 7.5 teaspoons... thats 30 g sugar right there!  Plus the 36 from the Ghirardelli... 66g sugar.  More than the 50g in the medium latte...
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 6:57am
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DeanOK Said:

From McDonald's web site:
At McDonald’s McCafé, you can choose between several gourmet coffee choices: cappuccinos, lattés, and iced and hot mochas. They’re brewed with rich, bold espresso and made with real steamed milk, real chocolate and whipped cream.

Posted March 22, 2013 link

But they arent saying what else is in there.. Real chocolate mixed with what? Whipped cream with stabilizers? Corn syrup?
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 7:50am
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DeanOK Said:

I just made a caramel mocha. I usually use Hershey's syrup for chocolate, but tonight I used Starbucks Mocha Powder (about a teaspoon).  For syrup, I used 1.5 oz  Torani Classic Caramel. Espresso was a double shot, and I steamed about 6 oz of whole milk.

It was not nearly as good as the McDonald's mocha I had this morning. I will say it was not nearly as sweet and the caramel flavor was not as strong either.

Yes, I do know I like the milk drinks... and it's becoming obvious that the coffee flavor, while important, is not the only flavor that drives my pallet.

Commenting on same things I mentioned earlier in this thread, I did see that Elemental now sells their coffee in an online store... so I do now have a source. I may give them another try.

Posted March 22, 2013 link

If you want it sweeter and more flavorful it makes sense to add more of the ingredients that are doing this job to adjust the flavor to the taste you want. When I want a mocha I want it as a treat so I will use plenty of syrup to make it the way I want. I like my ingredients to be as pure as I can get them, I do not like HFCS or "flavoring", I prefer real sugar and real flavor and when it come to cocoa I like the different kinds for different variations of flavor. However if you like the flavor from HFCS sweetness and "flavoring" the real deal may not do the trick, the good news is there is an endless choice of products made this way.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 7:55am
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cuznvin Said:

Every teaspoon of sugar is 4g.. 2.5 TBLS is 7.5 teaspoons... thats 30 g sugar right there!  Plus the 36 from the Ghirardelli... 66g sugar.  More than the 50g in the medium latte...

Posted March 23, 2013 link

That's what they say on the packaging. I weighed my sugar in the raw with a measuring table spoon on a 100th of a gram scale, some scoops where 7.5g, some 10g, and the rest between those numbers. Measuring by volume is anything but accurate.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 8:00am
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cuznvin Said:

Corn syrup?

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Are you thinking about High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS)? Corn Syrup is not HFCS.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 8:10am
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germantownrob Said:

Are you thinking about High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS)? Corn Syrup is not HFCS.

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I am well aware of that.  I was thinking of any type of corn syrup used in commercial products. Neither is good. And natural sugar is still sugar.  It all causes diabetes in excess
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 8:12am
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germantownrob Said:

 Measuring by volume is anything but accurate.

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Sure isnt.. I owned a bakery and real bakers measure only by weight.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 8:57am
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Reading all of the posts, I decided to make a "hybrid" English Toffee Mocha this morning.  My shot was a little long (39 grams) and then I added 3 packets of NutraSweet to my steamed milk (about 7 oz). Used 1 0z of Torani English Toffee syrup and 1/2 oz of Hershey's Chocolate.

Its not too bad. It is pretty sweet, but still lacking the richness and aftertaste that I prefer from the McDonald's drinks. Maybe a different kind of chocolate would help. I think I over did it with the NuraSweet... maybe two packets next time.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 9:19am
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They add stuff to give "mouth feel".

 
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 9:46am
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DeanOK Said:

Reading all of the posts, I decided to make a "hybrid" English Toffee Mocha this morning.  My shot was a little long (39 grams) and then I added 3 packets of NutraSweet to my steamed milk (about 7 oz). Used 1 0z of Torani English Toffee syrup and 1/2 oz of Hershey's Chocolate.

Its not too bad. It is pretty sweet, but still lacking the richness and aftertaste that I prefer from the McDonald's drinks. Maybe a different kind of chocolate would help. I think I over did it with the NuraSweet... maybe two packets next time.

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There you go! Experiment and make it better then store bought. If I make AB's chocolate syrup with Hershey Cocoa powder it ends up tasting very similar to Hershey store bought but just changing the Cocoa powder to any of the dozen choices I have at local markets changes the syrup drastically. Maybe try more flavoring and less NutraSweet with what you have and see if that is appealing.

I love Hot Chocolate in the winter and try lots of different pre mix brands all the time, one thing is for sure US packaged stuff directions say to use far less scoops per 8oz of milk then I like and European mixes say to us more scoops then I like, moral of this is I don't follow directions very much.
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