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cuznvin
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 6:50pm
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silvers Said:

Hello all

Okay so I am fairly new to the world of coffee but am slowly becoming obsessed.  For many years I use to just get by with the local coffee shops in Toronto then I moved away and decided I should get my own machine.  I first bought a used (heavily used) Rancilio Silvia which I quickly updated due to a lot of break downs, I then found a great deal on a Quick Mill Elaine (which is very similar to an Alexia).  I love the Elaine it makes some amazing espresso shots.  

So the reason for the post is I am interested in upgrading, reasons being: the Elaine is a single boiler machine and takes a long time to to make multiple types of drinks.  Pulling a shot just for myself is great but on weekends we generally have a lot of people over and making multiple latte's and americano's can be taxing.  Also the Elaine is not the greatest at steaming milk.  

Before I get into the machines I have been looking into I will answer the suggested questions from the "read before you post topic"

"Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  -espresso, latte, cappuccino, americano
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? min of 2 but commonly make 4-6 and sometimes 8
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week? 5-20
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir? I can do either and want to discuss these options
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit? both 15-and 20 I could also put 240V into my new kitchen
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?" $3000 already have a grinder (MACAP M4 steepless)


Okay so in summary I have a budget of around 3000, make on average 4-6 drinks at a time on weekends and 2 drinks each morning daily.  I make -espresso, latte, cappuccino, americano.  We are moving into a new house in the next year and am looking for options of plumbing the unit in.  Power requirements are also not an issue as I can always plan to have a dedicated circuit for the unit.  

So I think I will be looking into a dual boiler machine.

The units I have looked at are the Rocket R58 the ECM Tecnhika IV and the Alex Duetto.  All three of these units are very similar in looks however I thought the Rocket and ECM felt better built (less wobble in the front when inserting the portafilter).  Out of these I am leaning towards the Rocket for styling.  However I dont love the square box styling.  I love the look of the Faema E61 legend semi, but this is out of my price range.  I also love/drool for the look of the speedster but again out of my price range.  

So my questions are this,

-  Out of the machines I have stated which do you think is the best built, anyone who has lived with these machines I would love to hear from you.

I guess I should say I have read all through the review section but all they tell me is people love all three of these machines.

- what other machines should I be looking into.  I would love to know of some with more than just square cube styling

- Should I look into an Elektra sixties ?

- Any semi auto machines have an auto turn on for turning on in the morning?

Posted March 19, 2013 link

The ECM isnt a DB though..not yet anyway ;-D)
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emradguy
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 8:44pm
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cuznvin Said:

The Salvatore DB is $6000..

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Ah, did not know that! Thanks.  That's quite pricey...for that money, I'd probably just get a GS/3.

 
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 8:48pm
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"Londinium"

Gs/3 owners are replacing them for this according to Reiss.  Two owners talk about them and Reiss answers a few questions.

 
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cuznvin
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 8:55pm
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emradguy Said:

Ah, did not know that! Thanks.  That's quite pricey...for that money, I'd probably just get a GS/3.

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Ya.. Quite shocked myself being that the E61 Lever is around $2000
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013, 4:33am
Subject: Re: Planning for my next machine, advice on some machines
 

Welcome.
I am just asking, why are you being specific about a DB machine?
By doing so, you are cutting out lots of excellent machines that are not DB.

There isn't anything wrong with DB machines, there are a couple of them that I would love to have but the design of the internal parts does not make one type "better" than the other, just different.

One design is not better than the other and the way you work and what you expect and the type of drinks and coffee varieties you use and how often you change them is a better way to guide you in the decision making process.
:-)

 
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silvers
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013, 6:56am
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You are right

I should not limit myself to just DB machines and I would be interested in some HX machines as well.  I was thinking the DB route bc I have tried a few out in the stores around me.  I guess at the end of the day what I am looking for a a well built machine that I can always get parts to fix in the years to come.  

I do a lot of wood working and have been thinking about maybe making some custom knobs and handles for my machine and it got me thinking.  How come we don't see a lot of wood used on machines?  is it strictly the cost associated or has it been proven that wood just wont last.
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013, 7:54am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

"Londinium"

Gs/3 owners are replacing them for this according to Reiss.  Two owners talk about them and Reiss answers a few questions.

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Yes, I know you lust after the Londinium.

Anyhow...Slivers...good you're looking at HX machines too.  You should spend a little time reading about the benefits and drawbacks or both DB and HX to see which method is best for you.  Of course, that may not work all that well in the long run. I decided on DB because I tend to stick with the same bean for a while, then maybe have a pound or two of something else for a change.  Lately though, I've been changing around beans more frequently, though still not having more than one blend in a single session, so the desire to go HX hasn't hit me too hard.  However, if you're thinking of doing side-side comparisons or even temp profiing comparisons of a single blend, then you would be better off with a HX machine.

Regarding wood knobs and such...check our my profile pic.  That's a set I ordered from a well-respected Home Barista member (cannon fodder).  He does a ton of these sets, in pretty much whatever wood you ask for.  He's typically about 3 months behind, so yeah, there's a demand for it.  I guess the manufacturers are going more for longevity than looks.

 
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MerleApAmber
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:42am
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silvers Said:

How come we don't see a lot of wood used on machines?

Posted March 20, 2013 link

I'd have to go with reducing production costs toward market competition. Wood is a very aesthetic proposition and because a vendor needs to invest in hard stock before production, people might find the choices limiting their appreciation of the "real" equipment they're shopping for.  Notwithstanding, many many folk turn a very pretty dowel for handles and fashion awesome stands for showcasing where their work space in the kitchen allows.
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:29pm
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It is nice to know you are open to many choices.

It is pretty widely known that I am a fan of ECM and Rocket machines. I own a small commercial ECM and have seen and used Rocket machines. I find them to be well built and solid machines which will be able to be maintained well into the future.

In truth, any well built machine in this class will have a long life.

Things to think about is that a 220 machine will cost less to run than a 110 v machine is due to the way your power meter measures power you used. Plumb in is a VERY nice feature to have and for me would be a deal breaker without it.

Also in the great to have features is volumetric dosing, it makes you very consistent and that is a very good thing.

Your budget will easily allow all these features and your use or projected use also will take advantage of them too.

 
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013, 6:50pm
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I have a Quick Mill QM67. I love it. Have had it for over a month and it has served me perfectly so far. Its a quick Mill, dual boilers with dual PIDs. The learning curve was small, with no temp. surfing, and no guesswork. The boilers are on the small side, but the heating elements are large, so recovery time is super fast. Maybe this is what your looking for? The machine is fairly new, so there is not too much history behind it. BUT its a Quickmill and Quickmill is reputable. Like I said I love mine. I got a Vario to go along side it and have had nothing but success so far! 2 thumbs up from me.
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