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silvers
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:23am
Subject: Planning for my next machine, advice on some machines
 

Hello all

Okay so I am fairly new to the world of coffee but am slowly becoming obsessed.  For many years I use to just get by with the local coffee shops in Toronto then I moved away and decided I should get my own machine.  I first bought a used (heavily used) Rancilio Silvia which I quickly updated due to a lot of break downs, I then found a great deal on a Quick Mill Elaine (which is very similar to an Alexia).  I love the Elaine it makes some amazing espresso shots.  

So the reason for the post is I am interested in upgrading, reasons being: the Elaine is a single boiler machine and takes a long time to to make multiple types of drinks.  Pulling a shot just for myself is great but on weekends we generally have a lot of people over and making multiple latte's and americano's can be taxing.  Also the Elaine is not the greatest at steaming milk.  

Before I get into the machines I have been looking into I will answer the suggested questions from the "read before you post topic"

"Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  -espresso, latte, cappuccino, americano
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? min of 2 but commonly make 4-6 and sometimes 8
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week? 5-20
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir? I can do either and want to discuss these options
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit? both 15-and 20 I could also put 240V into my new kitchen
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?" $3000 already have a grinder (MACAP M4 steepless)


Okay so in summary I have a budget of around 3000, make on average 4-6 drinks at a time on weekends and 2 drinks each morning daily.  I make -espresso, latte, cappuccino, americano.  We are moving into a new house in the next year and am looking for options of plumbing the unit in.  Power requirements are also not an issue as I can always plan to have a dedicated circuit for the unit.  

So I think I will be looking into a dual boiler machine.

The units I have looked at are the Rocket R58 the ECM Tecnhika IV and the Alex Duetto.  All three of these units are very similar in looks however I thought the Rocket and ECM felt better built (less wobble in the front when inserting the portafilter).  Out of these I am leaning towards the Rocket for styling.  However I dont love the square box styling.  I love the look of the Faema E61 legend semi, but this is out of my price range.  I also love/drool for the look of the speedster but again out of my price range.  

So my questions are this,

-  Out of the machines I have stated which do you think is the best built, anyone who has lived with these machines I would love to hear from you.

I guess I should say I have read all through the review section but all they tell me is people love all three of these machines.

- what other machines should I be looking into.  I would love to know of some with more than just square cube styling

- Should I look into an Elektra sixties ?

- Any semi auto machines have an auto turn on for turning on in the morning?
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Coffeenoobie
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:31am
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Well it is square but I am in lust with

http://londiniumespresso.com/collections/espresso-equipment

The good news is I think my husband could get a good cup from it it can be plumbed or not.

 
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:43am
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Hmm very nice.  I have never tried a lever machine but plan on finding a shop where I can try one bc they do interest me.  Something about pulling down on a huge lever.
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 12:09pm
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I think you should also look at the Salvatore and the Vibiemme...both manufacturers produce DBs

auto turn on is easily achieved by plugging in a programmable timer

 
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 1:09pm
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The lever is no big deal.  I like that it is balanced so no flush needed and it delivers more flavor.....  I played with one in Seattle.

 
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Oscar trick out: http://s156.photobucket.com/user/GandBteam/story/14231
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 2:32pm
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So the question would be. Do you buy the luxe model. I like the idea of seeing inside.  How was this guy at frothing milk.  Compared to other lever machines.
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 2:35pm
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I have only used a commercial lever machine other than this one.  But it froths as well.  I like the luxe but I would probably not get it.

 
Coffeenoobie

Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.

My coffee treasure map...
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Oscar trick out: http://s156.photobucket.com/user/GandBteam/story/14231
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 3:36pm
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Well you started something, I might just have to become obsessed with this machine.  I've watch almost every video I can find and it is beautiful. I never really thought of getting a lever machine before you sent me down this road. I'm wondering now if there are any in Canada.  I saw some of the posts you yes we're making about this machine and what was the conclusion on hooking it up to a 220 v power supply.  Also. When you used it was it easy to go from brewing to frothing and back.
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Planning for my next machine, advice on some machines
 

yes it is awesome.

 
Coffeenoobie

Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.

My coffee treasure map...
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Oscar trick out: http://s156.photobucket.com/user/GandBteam/story/14231
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Planning for my next machine, advice on some machines
 

emradguy Said:

I think you should also look at the Salvatore and the Vibiemme...both manufacturers produce DBs

auto turn on is easily achieved by plugging in a programmable timer

Posted March 19, 2013 link

The Salvatore DB is $6000..
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